From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from perceval.ideasonboard.com (perceval.ideasonboard.com [213.167.242.64]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9641A22A1E1 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2025 04:37:04 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=213.167.242.64 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1765168626; cv=none; b=lPdzXVbeeAZwyCY7lBALRmGPXUglRpvODwcDhKK22AX5vfl1hD2XIlJQb9A1k/rnV+joXpMchpcZLaNqupnoOvCvX40xVryzmt3PVzfsj+iUDL2EwYa/TLDrMBeLAmgA/gt68gyayODEycsiNdg1cpuZ5fYZ2n2vY1lsmm/iLMk= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1765168626; c=relaxed/simple; bh=7YqnMOLJdVDoJvP+wprbiQ2ofc+L98qwW0m7/FbwN0Y=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To; b=Ywo5x47c4lQgp+C7yCQZnwGSLvXPzwjxPRWPEeIgOV1qfjQigfes71lXKHiXWGMON4B9mQW9s6tGDrl0mOe4chBJVT1m9TFvfOPEadlcB28M2um0ccgMrBh/cq9YiXK+UpQl96ptjjKiTsvFF5tKINurZbU5qAj0NpeIUOMJ+zU= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=ideasonboard.com; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=ideasonboard.com; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=ideasonboard.com header.i=@ideasonboard.com header.b=PJjrA5AA; arc=none smtp.client-ip=213.167.242.64 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=ideasonboard.com Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=ideasonboard.com Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=ideasonboard.com header.i=@ideasonboard.com header.b="PJjrA5AA" Received: from pendragon.ideasonboard.com (p7838222-ipoefx.ipoe.ocn.ne.jp [123.225.39.221]) by perceval.ideasonboard.com (Postfix) with UTF8SMTPSA id 5E326766; Mon, 8 Dec 2025 05:34:42 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ideasonboard.com; s=mail; t=1765168484; bh=7YqnMOLJdVDoJvP+wprbiQ2ofc+L98qwW0m7/FbwN0Y=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=PJjrA5AAdDodeE0lyj/MczBi4XhPhE9y90IdMLorV6Lwx40p5wfc4o5RQCDcVRAsF KElPfwUt+5lu94IBikNrPIMcasW4U+/GXgNQ5N3d/jmTOmqj6cBq81jw5QEzviWPLk xizijAhbClXXNWlaxCwzxlKzUKo8QlFq/KXAbIwo= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2025 13:36:42 +0900 From: Laurent Pinchart To: Jonathan Corbet Cc: Sasha Levin , ksummit@lists.linux.dev Subject: Re: [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] The role of AI and LLMs in the kernel process Message-ID: <20251208043642.GD30348@pendragon.ideasonboard.com> References: <20251208041507.GB30348@pendragon.ideasonboard.com> <87qzt5fvc5.fsf@trenco.lwn.net> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87qzt5fvc5.fsf@trenco.lwn.net> On Sun, Dec 07, 2025 at 09:31:22PM -0700, Jonathan Corbet wrote: > Laurent Pinchart writes: > > > This is a pretty good summary. It's missing one point in my opinion, > > partly related to the legal stance: the ethical stance. > > > > The Linux kernel is governed by the GPL. There are contributors who care > > about the copyleft aspect of the license. Even if the legal issues get > > cleared in the future, not everybody will agree that usage of GPL code > > as input to create proprietary LLMs is ethical: > > Somebody needs to say this: that is an important ethical question, but > it is far from the only one: > > - The creation of these LLM systems imposes significant costs on anybody > trying to run any sort of open resource on the Internet. I have > ranted at length about this... Konstantin has been rather more > restrained, but the effects of this industry on kernel.org have been > significant and expensive. Using these systems makes us a part of the > problem. > > - Before generating code in this way, we should think about the > jet-engine turbines now powering data centers. We work on Linux to > create a better world; wrecking its climate is not conducive to that > goal. > > - The BitKeeper experience showed us what can happen when we make our > processes dependent on proprietary software. We should not forget > that lesson regardless of how shiny the new toys look. > > I'll stop now :) I hope you won't, someone needs to keep being vocal about those crucial points :-) I often feel pretty lonely when I raise those concerns, it's important to show people they're not alone. -- Regards, Laurent Pinchart