From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from relay.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0010.hostedemail.com [216.40.44.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0172F243954 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2025 03:25:04 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=216.40.44.10 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1765164307; cv=none; b=u4bir61uyaQTuMwmKDP7IzKihN3FZi+4rosQrPVqvnjW8/OU33Ha4rujc1oHP7QcI1clAFvxztuwJge8UbuRZx0C4bl0PxXzoGbowm3a9flQGp7sxxHYQ7rHWOyeCBUn71er2rjWbR+DmVvF6YfRjeG3uGGBoFELxl0zBdFCg44= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1765164307; c=relaxed/simple; bh=HvNAukEK9mHTBIT/kYPBbQq9NqDqVDDie3M9Kb0fsBY=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=IB+zoxeULN26M9KS+Zw/iGZBuXeuFyvVdwhTc3ENH97NU/bsy6qN3KUoIlEyGaOZtnRjeG3hbbSSFIMtZCUiQPPv7A6L2poJYrqgooB930TZWgrJo0XS0DrRB2H0Vz0rft4gLn08jM65ElD5j4P93cGXmaQAH5CYQPYpcZoHC0M= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=goodmis.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=goodmis.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=216.40.44.10 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=goodmis.org Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=goodmis.org Received: from omf02.hostedemail.com (a10.router.float.18 [10.200.18.1]) by unirelay08.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3A7C140994; Mon, 8 Dec 2025 03:15:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [HIDDEN] (Authenticated sender: rostedt@goodmis.org) by omf02.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 1EAD380012; Mon, 8 Dec 2025 03:15:36 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2025 22:15:32 -0500 From: Steven Rostedt To: Jonathan Corbet Cc: "H. Peter Anvin" , Sasha Levin , ksummit@lists.linux.dev Subject: Re: [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] The role of AI and LLMs in the kernel process Message-ID: <20251207221532.4d8747f5@debian> In-Reply-To: <87zf7tg2dk.fsf@trenco.lwn.net> References: <4BDD9351-E58A-4951-9953-00F1E9F24FB4@zytor.com> <87zf7tg2dk.fsf@trenco.lwn.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 4.3.1 (GTK 3.24.51; x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Server: rspamout07 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 1EAD380012 X-Stat-Signature: hn87gyf1hnd6unhakcsgm9q3gof3mz9q X-Session-Marker: 726F737465647440676F6F646D69732E6F7267 X-Session-ID: U2FsdGVkX1+C8tsL8KgMkTVL/dsIXsRe2/sr80Bb+fg= X-HE-Tag: 1765163736-264634 X-HE-Meta: U2FsdGVkX19sJLY85+HDleEhmGzOjGWXM7Na99i3yKNWUfI+J7kq5VAwOUTDC0H5Jve/BIjAkbjp7kbAGULq/WspXWIgDxerTTpH3nNcGonp9pPiq9G98SbzJgNw0RXFIjL0bY/StqEWJVsZ3zAs9AJfZpZRw6neu6zGEpuKhUZVOSyjXeZ4tLxybJJhncXvYVVTfTr0lRfdsyEU4b4ereOQUZvObtKWSkOnLG+rPxLVOzOur1uVaCN9qUY8ygXdyQGepglr8m5hkds7bQ9j9hgC9SJd84Xikuw+aDfjKWlF1tKxjRM41w5lqLTT/aXLZOEHD1+Tcgo1BIpzLaOQDXGo59pAVXRKjugdDWRC4yvf4di1V38PTbixOvAQIK5fEBmkie3/eCk8sngwr/kHKe05/4wAmmys On Sun, 07 Dec 2025 18:59:19 -0700 Jonathan Corbet wrote: > > I contend there is a huge difference between *code* and > > descriptions/documentation/... > > As you might imagine, I'm not fully on board with that. Code is assumed > plagiarized, but text is not? Subtly wrong documentation is OK? > > I think our documentation requires just as much care as our code does. I assumed what hpa was mentioning about documentation, may be either translation of original text of the submitter, or AI looking at the code that was created and created a change log. In either case, the text was generated from the input of the author. Where as AI generated code likely comes from somebody else's code. Perhaps AI was trained on somebody else's text, but the output will likely not be a derivative of it as the input is still original. In that case, I agree with hpa on this. -- Steve