From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from relay.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0012.hostedemail.com [216.40.44.12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 483D233A03A for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2025 13:50:54 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=216.40.44.12 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1760622656; cv=none; b=cbaEbjJS0J0DsYfmxajP/4bQAuYTT/CxGz7ia76y7LQBnzsj1tkmgXUcNDSEU96+uj4QsT0huJoGerzvc1rjqrCTHbqCIhMJ8SNLAw9HZmyaf+a1x1YcoEPoCMVqypVlizQTskNaBkWyMwuICGi8q1PK5MYNxjaDUVfQSTza07k= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1760622656; c=relaxed/simple; bh=5D0JVmvIl2U4swgB9Eg1QOfwBszG5jGTo+bmUUueXUs=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=WleFd4LMhnSZeABJy79Yk5PofK3jHjTedV6wVJ0pI1vDwA6h+MBTJVECJqC4uAf8nYCuMZLneVEHdy02tKTVxqbYsecefOsz23n9uS1ko2CzpZRz6HudDybxI0fG2akke1LjnVu2HY2QcU9fgxsEwPkI5MXjsPFskfyd/W4NfA0= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=goodmis.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=goodmis.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=216.40.44.12 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=goodmis.org Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=goodmis.org Received: from omf07.hostedemail.com (a10.router.float.18 [10.200.18.1]) by unirelay07.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D578160302; Thu, 16 Oct 2025 13:50:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [HIDDEN] (Authenticated sender: rostedt@goodmis.org) by omf07.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 5F2D92002C; Thu, 16 Oct 2025 13:50:50 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2025 09:51:00 -0400 From: Steven Rostedt To: James Bottomley Cc: Jiri Kosina , Mathieu Desnoyers , Greg KH , Linus Torvalds , Konstantin Ryabitsev , dan.j.williams@intel.com, Doug Anderson , "ksummit@lists.linux.dev" Subject: Re: Replacing Link trailers Message-ID: <20251016095100.258ccafb@gandalf.local.home> In-Reply-To: <7bba60baedc98bf2babc4b481ed5b3bdf7d3e565.camel@HansenPartnership.com> References: <68ee73dcd10ee_2f89910075@dwillia2-mobl4.notmuch> <2025101448-overtake-mortality-99c8@gregkh> <68efd54da845e_2f89910071@dwillia2-mobl4.notmuch> <20251015-versed-active-silkworm-bb87bd@lemur> <2025101631-foyer-wages-8458@gregkh> <892a58917795bf5d29394bb5123dae2a6615ca08.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <2025101639-thwarting-press-f0f7@gregkh> <1de36a0c-a197-441d-82eb-29f96581a8b2@efficios.com> <8p635sn0-65r3-506n-3141-1316o85s539o@xreary.bet> <7bba60baedc98bf2babc4b481ed5b3bdf7d3e565.camel@HansenPartnership.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.20.0git84 (GTK+ 2.24.33; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 5F2D92002C X-Stat-Signature: rb747quq5otaoo4pjr5an1pdg6ks1itk X-Rspamd-Server: rspamout02 X-Session-Marker: 726F737465647440676F6F646D69732E6F7267 X-Session-ID: U2FsdGVkX19C0QK3Fr7zm1VyxVGLz0W1Gg0PkVPky5Y= X-HE-Tag: 1760622650-601470 X-HE-Meta: U2FsdGVkX1/UeDqMKE6+L8lRzk/wED+vdRw7uyijirMypxYi1BnExpLa+DuUXf0mInBjt3ix3chp5OdUsr7bsQztR+rpX84zMqylQxZ7Ax+ik9O9Y7xpTy49wZdfA3/AN+quYvE1edJZhPu2unbdW262zTERGpGC4hAfmoAAUOFO7m0X5rWRWa24408vps9+mj+gpnnwC5y3HPY/uCYqmWjcX1j9zEzrnBC2G/dJtEogDjf4KCStINHuIIkjujjmLoMKRXCwPE4pfmq2O4bOWlzXX64bMDPgThBaXfOaU6MUPOMULQZZlHGe5CUN33rzgUFbimILOlMfdZaOcJg6emeom/1+aH9lbmaZipCLQHHudsI0bTBB6/aG3iUBmWzc On Thu, 16 Oct 2025 08:54:26 -0400 James Bottomley wrote: > --- > I actually think this debate should be split into two > pieces: > > 1. What completely automated thing do we need to help tools with > tracking. I think the message-id header would do that > 2. What mindful thing could maintainers add to a commit to give > useful background information? > > I think a lot of people want the former but Linus is asking for the > latter and Link: has previously tried to serve both purposes which lead > to the current dispute. I'm hoping splitting the discussion will > produce something better on both fronts. > --- As I just replied to Konstantin, I do 1 via my automated scripts that puts the link into the tags section, and 2 by placing the link outside the tags section as it is meaningful for humans to read. I will note, that I do not add 2 when a good discussion happened during a patch submission. I only add 2 when another discussion lead to the patch creation. 1 is for seeing if a discussion happened during patch submission or not. -- Steve