From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-1.web.codeaurora.org [10.30.226.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5A162291C3F; Fri, 22 Aug 2025 11:29:47 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1755862188; cv=none; b=D3WNR890uZxbjRL3R68pCudY8t+O3Jc5I7lr1RPr+4nW1tDlxikemO13/ZSlpY/nOVN1YLD+UBdACXmMwltfzUW9HS/xK5A+c7+1JouQ29+JlDbhD51PyP4Z8EgxCVYIB3C7eUQrsohJ6XKv1Uq+lavcAX2GJc9zetNk7ZDmsio= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1755862188; c=relaxed/simple; bh=bbC1YUgNLlBy5q2Utej8KQ1LJRsDhI7+Q/Jkxo3uDXE=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=BuMfTqRX9TH618bgHzksSYdtlDUKP2N+4idhnzxpMLmD7q7V9k+lOqyyYz9yrwwstKtt+l1X1LSVWe93ybYrr6G3d33BaxUFqC64A/zVDqJ4VK1DOFbsanI9jgSaxjI5Y2Plcal+SyUPoy93lXrB1+abf4RjMNSt0CX8kIKEjKM= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b=GuFB6ivF; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b="GuFB6ivF" Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7AC67C4CEED; Fri, 22 Aug 2025 11:29:46 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1755862187; bh=bbC1YUgNLlBy5q2Utej8KQ1LJRsDhI7+Q/Jkxo3uDXE=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=GuFB6ivF+/M5Oqce003YMkEhK6a3TME8O9Aztjv8iDW8HikUnT84GXV88NJSn90Gz uliB2R+wGtK/9MCSnUZkv/nHMBFPpln1kUXos9JeC8wg7OzbVhiZg2gLhUUcnLPdlD t6vvcgziZ1GM4W36WF6kcOfZJe3TGG+z/2rm18etBWL3kUvelnP6QA0Xca24UOvVv3 rIvDqfccJysDWF1duqPf1sHyLm8P+DIhS793WMZaMqVrLQ4g8MhSCbV4iKrgFqUFzV N5Zel6LZcHkPsE5BS6169mumdF7VyOUuspFWgJDPM4A7CWtH2SaH8lWL4w2BoPgsEp eq9xEGkEdfQTw== Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2025 13:29:43 +0200 From: Mauro Carvalho Chehab To: Matthew Wilcox Cc: Theodore Ts'o , James Bottomley , ksummit@lists.linux.dev, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [MAINTAINER SUMMIT] Adding more formality around feature inclusion and ejection Message-ID: <20250822132943.1ca76a8a@foz.lan> In-Reply-To: References: <20250821203407.GA1284215@mit.edu> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 4.3.1 (GTK 3.24.49; x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Em Thu, 21 Aug 2025 23:21:38 +0100 Matthew Wilcox escreveu: > On Thu, Aug 21, 2025 at 04:34:07PM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > > There is the saying that "bad facts make bad law", and the specifics > > of this most recent controversy are especially challenging. I would > > urge caution before trying to create a complex set of policies and > > mechanim when we've only had one such corner case in over 35 years. > > Well. we may have dodged a few bullets before now. Just in filesystems, > I can think of Hans Reiser, Jeff Merkey, Boaz Harrosh, Daniel Phillips > (no, i'm not saying any of the others did anything as heinous as Hans, > but they were all pretty disastrous in their own ways). There are other cases as well: there was a media driver maintainer that did pretty bad things, including physical threats against other maintainers. I even got a report that he did threat to life another maintainer who complained he would be violating GPL copyrights. > I don't think we can necessarily generalise from these examples to, > say, Lustre. That has its own unique challenges, and I don't think that > making them do more paperwork will be helpful. Agreed. I don't think those few examples have much in common: each had different types of issues. So, I don't think any text would be enough to cover such cases, as they're punctual. Probably the only thing that could be more effective would be to have an e-signed CLA for the ones which become maintainers. Thanks, Mauro