From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-1.web.codeaurora.org [10.30.226.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6C17B30F7EF for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2025 11:46:59 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1755776819; cv=none; b=YYfRtLHOqwTIASgH3E4SFiYeRhmt1qCaaduiXncBg2cQwhGT7QfD5AqgKf/LG6iZ9jOzX263GB1FexgMZZ771YocK0YKznuzNVOStBLn9vGnq8JAjnoP4dWaAEA/jTNOi7sPLBhZ58TKq+FjpQLCI+RhZU2h0u7HiifO7S8bMI8= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1755776819; c=relaxed/simple; bh=pzaixBldTwhWOSUm0bulvp7aFq9nIRCKXzWc7/rn+P0=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=F8h9GbH91HH5wRQ8RZ2wCADcZ6D2PLCGqHrYPYrUYH07qzchXCl+91Vnzjgnx/R6HlUixr0sO/yVl9Bv7UYXm0mZe9JQh6mMfa91gnbqUJyU2jBUKhcUGBRyHdGaU11LuODx6ZE9R8iJ94teOPMQwia5pjDMVDxN33M3ldv8d08= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b=siYVAi7r; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b="siYVAi7r" Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DE358C116C6; Thu, 21 Aug 2025 11:46:57 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1755776819; bh=pzaixBldTwhWOSUm0bulvp7aFq9nIRCKXzWc7/rn+P0=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=siYVAi7rwYeJZLs1YitxwaxQOGQoD5SJapgeX9iLMZQkA99GsI0SfY5Mhr52l6g3w QMcgZkA+nXj2BmK8Nf9oVK/HAtEIchKVW+KpLcKdEKyPDhguBREvu28BOCFNFyBw3X rpw3gknjbigawcQeGOoCYS4FUTHqZQryCwRqRt1yQ8t7ZknShnv+wJvgpZP2BhDN9o KRRDcK5Rslof6gzxvp9Io23Fk2CXlPxuCJ1FsYVaLjqF0+H8SWawhWnMO/QT2zhTIq JfkXHbomUaRau083eXikLU+WUt6ilzFD0XShGcFRJXusWrwA+1FLA++UFYjuOQ/B6X RLq1yfRVaYhzg== Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2025 13:46:55 +0200 From: Mauro Carvalho Chehab To: Miguel Ojeda Cc: paulmck@kernel.org, Jiri Kosina , ksummit@lists.linux.dev Subject: Re: [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Annotating patches containing AI-assisted code Message-ID: <20250821134655.040d15e4@foz.lan> In-Reply-To: References: <1npn33nq-713r-r502-p5op-q627pn5555oo@fhfr.pbz> <12ded49d-daa4-4199-927e-ce844f4cfe67@kernel.org> <20250818232332.0701fea2@foz.lan> <4dae36f1-b737-4ea0-b3d5-6a7784967578@paulmck-laptop> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 4.3.1 (GTK 3.24.49; x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Em Thu, 21 Aug 2025 12:54:42 +0200 Miguel Ojeda escreveu: > On Thu, Aug 21, 2025 at 12:03=E2=80=AFAM Paul E. McKenney wrote: > > > > Use of a local service might seem attractive, but even if you somehow > > know for sure that it doesn't send your prompts off somewhere, it very > > likely at least logs them, for customer-service purposes if nothing els= e. > > Which might be less obviously troubling that broadcasting the prompts > > publicly, but any logged prompts are still discoverable in the legal > > sense. =20 >=20 > I think by "local service" Mauro may mean, in general, open source > projects that do not require network access and that would not have > customer service in the commercial sense and so on. Some open source > projects still have logging or telemetry, of course -- I don't know > how common that is in libraries/apps of that domain -- but if so I > guess forks would appear, or people would run them in isolated VMs if > they are concerned about things like that, etc. As far as I know, running ollama locally won't send any telemetry, and can run even without Internet, but I'm not an expert and never looked on its source code[1]. [1] https://github.com/ollama/ollama Thanks, Mauro