From: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>
To: "Bird, Tim" <Tim.Bird@sony.com>
Cc: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
"paulmck@kernel.org" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzk@kernel.org>,
Sasha Levin <sashal@kernel.org>, Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.com>,
"ksummit@lists.linux.dev" <ksummit@lists.linux.dev>
Subject: Re: [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Annotating patches containing AI-assisted code
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2025 16:31:04 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <2025081209-friday-gauging-cac5@gregkh> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <MW5PR13MB56323AC4400A7CC5A1880BE6FD2BA@MW5PR13MB5632.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
On Tue, Aug 12, 2025 at 01:15:33PM +0000, Bird, Tim wrote:
> The copilot case is going through appeal now, and I wouldn't bet on which
> way the outcome will drop. It could very well yet result that AI output is deemed
> to be derivative work of the training data in some cases. If that occurs, then even restricting
> training data to GPL code wouldn't be a sufficient workaround to enable using the AI output
> in the kernel. And, as has been stated elsewhere, there are no currently no major models restricting
> their code training data to permissively licensed code. This makes it infeasible to use
> any of the popular models with a high degree of certainty that the output is legally OK.
As semi-proof of this, everyone will note that the closed operating
system developer teams have NOT put their code into these public coding
models, NOR do they allow AI tools trained on these public models to be
checked into their closed source codebases.
So I strongly suggest that perhaps until that happens, we too should
seriously consider that the legal issues involved be taken semi-seriously :)
thanks,
greg k-h
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-08-12 14:31 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-08-05 15:38 Jiri Kosina
2025-08-05 17:50 ` Sasha Levin
2025-08-05 18:00 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-08-05 18:16 ` Sasha Levin
2025-08-05 21:53 ` Jiri Kosina
2025-08-05 22:41 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-08-05 18:34 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-05 22:06 ` Alexandre Belloni
2025-08-05 18:32 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-08 8:31 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-08-11 21:46 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-11 21:57 ` Luck, Tony
2025-08-11 22:12 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-11 22:45 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-08-11 22:52 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-11 22:54 ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-08-11 23:03 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-12 15:47 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-12 16:06 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-11 22:28 ` Sasha Levin
2025-08-12 15:49 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-12 16:03 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-08-12 16:12 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-12 16:17 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-08-12 17:12 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-12 17:39 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-11 22:11 ` Luis Chamberlain
2025-08-11 22:51 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-11 23:22 ` Luis Chamberlain
2025-08-11 23:42 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-12 0:02 ` Luis Chamberlain
2025-08-12 2:49 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-18 21:41 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-20 21:48 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-12 16:01 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-12 16:22 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-18 21:23 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-19 15:25 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-19 16:27 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-20 22:03 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-21 10:54 ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-08-21 11:46 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-12 8:38 ` James Bottomley
2025-08-12 13:15 ` Bird, Tim
2025-08-12 14:31 ` Greg KH [this message]
2025-08-18 21:12 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-19 15:01 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-12 14:42 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-12 15:55 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-08-18 21:07 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-19 15:15 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-19 15:23 ` James Bottomley
2025-08-19 16:16 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-20 21:44 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-21 10:23 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-21 16:50 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-21 17:30 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-21 17:36 ` Luck, Tony
2025-08-21 18:01 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-21 19:03 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-21 19:45 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-21 21:21 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-21 21:32 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-21 21:49 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-21 17:53 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-21 18:32 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-21 19:07 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-21 19:52 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-21 21:23 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-22 7:55 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-08-21 20:38 ` Jiri Kosina
2025-08-21 21:18 ` Jiri Kosina
2025-08-21 20:46 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-18 17:53 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2025-08-18 18:32 ` James Bottomley
2025-08-19 15:14 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-18 19:13 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-18 19:19 ` Jiri Kosina
2025-08-18 19:44 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2025-08-18 19:47 ` Jiri Kosina
2025-08-18 22:44 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-08-06 8:17 ` Dan Carpenter
2025-08-06 10:13 ` Mark Brown
2025-08-12 14:36 ` Ben Dooks
2025-09-15 18:01 ` Kees Cook
2025-09-15 18:29 ` dan.j.williams
2025-09-16 15:36 ` James Bottomley
2025-09-16 9:39 ` Jiri Kosina
2025-09-16 15:31 ` James Bottomley
2025-09-16 14:20 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-09-16 15:00 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-09-16 15:48 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-09-16 16:06 ` Luck, Tony
2025-09-16 16:58 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-09-16 23:30 ` Kees Cook
2025-09-17 15:16 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-09-17 17:02 ` Laurent Pinchart
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