From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from zeniv.linux.org.uk (zeniv.linux.org.uk [62.89.141.173]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B0F1B78F2F for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2025 20:49:01 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=62.89.141.173 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1754426944; cv=none; b=OxTfTxr94Tx2Xxh6AJRCsaA7D81le6zCyzXL/N0uakcFBK21MPyBQ1/YX9Avj492835gWt7f5fwemetUKljbgtCue/sB0fiE3Q/tC+WK9SZXcpc71FiMCWlaUcLSnu7Y5m3dfOkqbtGoiWA+g8aMNFXg09tBkhHQhjmVX7BBhtk= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1754426944; c=relaxed/simple; bh=T/4uxLHm13smQOgonzXsbfiTXu8ETSo11pkGraczBpo=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To; b=qouqnt7eKb3cdtqHQJ5MwtY9d2EG+2P7fBtt+9pGA9m/NNp9Fp2SD0gL5qBoTLkU2IDp88wzVFNJQpZDRIquAsZ2IbuQbFzfT1I/zaHrmD7E769wxFXc2eYA8TJfEKyXJnOgMblyfnYj06J5y1kJU5weHi/7YVz8hLgNff+adJw= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=zeniv.linux.org.uk; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=ftp.linux.org.uk; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=linux.org.uk header.i=@linux.org.uk header.b=NyuiBxxt; arc=none smtp.client-ip=62.89.141.173 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=zeniv.linux.org.uk Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=ftp.linux.org.uk Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=linux.org.uk header.i=@linux.org.uk header.b="NyuiBxxt" DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=linux.org.uk; s=zeniv-20220401; h=Sender:In-Reply-To:Content-Type: MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description; bh=zML5wbG2LFhdc7rTmRHvCKhEbdY+LNQRt89Dx3jrg+I=; b=NyuiBxxtxsn5W5jZCMyhOn2eFx kJmtCvaSGAQck+dWyrE07qXA3fPRT1lKfF5MlmqFjmgn1VkpnjXd9YWzmlHwSBdqaeLiFH8VqZecl hgdl16n4TIm69q37wtg7LOR6tBhjWnLP/c5Wt+9b+AKQEhknPkrYQwgsRhBrHFvStznqZK4WBouhX I7/2QBX9Sqc/BSczLFoY7XXU6FpKQuI/7xvA4QcD5LxqYYzgvKr7eDvnZHIopQFm7etUKi9r+Lh60 mpyB6id9yW7zohPdtdoR0+xrLeMM6NB9429thLgwegHNf/nPk8g70jwE39JOVmAmw3Mn0mUqMJIjs bonqlMcA==; Received: from viro by zeniv.linux.org.uk with local (Exim 4.98.2 #2 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1ujOag-00000005n3T-0ye3; Tue, 05 Aug 2025 20:48:58 +0000 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2025 21:48:58 +0100 From: Al Viro To: James Bottomley Cc: Lorenzo Stoakes , Sasha Levin , ksummit@lists.linux.dev Subject: Re: [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] The role of AI and LLMs in the kernel process Message-ID: <20250805204858.GD222315@ZenIV> References: <56e85d392471beea3322d19bde368920ba6323b6.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <1ced158f-b433-46ef-a70f-d035ec413a12@lucifer.local> <72ee0f61379054e327d502bbe77aae3d76966d17.camel@HansenPartnership.com> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <72ee0f61379054e327d502bbe77aae3d76966d17.camel@HansenPartnership.com> Sender: Al Viro On Tue, Aug 05, 2025 at 04:02:02PM -0400, James Bottomley wrote: > > My objections are to do with the the kinds of errors one can > > encounter with statistical inference like this. > > > > Humans do not confidently hallucinate in the absence of concrete > > data, rather we infer and model. > > Might I refer you to pretty much any white house press briefing for > counter examples ... Thank you. Do we really want their kind anywhere near the codebase, though? How would you treat someone ever caught pulling that kind of shit? Personally I'd classify them as indistinguishable from scammers and that would be it, reducing the problem to recognizing their sock puppets if they ever get such.