From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from relay.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0015.hostedemail.com [216.40.44.15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BECDC291C0F for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2025 16:28:06 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=216.40.44.15 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1754411288; cv=none; b=IxXjXXoN2dSMjrpRY1B6Mhi8tCgA19MTzJ01ugfOIPIyV54QAUEWVOG0QOcmF2f4SU3BM/AfbwK8OFLbTaGrgIN5THXXrhw2BSlDAUq1r6x2OoMlsmGKF3CR5QmrLSc8wKMOk+pRRdVHrNghJxIfHhWm++/EqpWyo5VpdfQ4Yh0= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1754411288; c=relaxed/simple; bh=uK5LfdB6rqKF9vtw20pG0tGISx8yvEKCxMgnhlzaqFo=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=em5LqtlAWg+C+0fYEBKCLyBkwPZFlP3YC0huWBQrATb53d1jn+Y7lcB8ZJAOqSQhntTsgShZGRo6gRY0xa+SYmDWHQgtAbDqKLJx074+cf0uDLt+O1Vrb9CF+Y6KFJqPaWMZlWkDE+musuJW7cRS+chtMCCaN93/mQ1r6k24CMc= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=goodmis.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=goodmis.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=216.40.44.15 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=goodmis.org Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=goodmis.org Received: from omf13.hostedemail.com (a10.router.float.18 [10.200.18.1]) by unirelay10.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51BCCC017B; Tue, 5 Aug 2025 16:28:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [HIDDEN] (Authenticated sender: rostedt@goodmis.org) by omf13.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id C51672000E; Tue, 5 Aug 2025 16:27:58 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2025 12:28:28 -0400 From: Steven Rostedt To: Mark Brown Cc: Jiri Kosina , ksummit@lists.linux.dev Subject: Re: [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] The amount of -stable emails Message-ID: <20250805122828.68312a8d@gandalf.local.home> In-Reply-To: <9dbe8a42-e43a-4beb-acfa-3ed1c069fa47@sirena.org.uk> References: <162r47q9-rp56-67so-7032-2r1rn36p03n6@fhfr.pbz> <9dbe8a42-e43a-4beb-acfa-3ed1c069fa47@sirena.org.uk> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.20.0git84 (GTK+ 2.24.33; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Stat-Signature: op4pk41eu4hdbig9fo7yty4phs4af3ed X-Rspamd-Server: rspamout03 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: C51672000E X-Session-Marker: 726F737465647440676F6F646D69732E6F7267 X-Session-ID: U2FsdGVkX1/W82lSLc+Owv1o0SpPT0ph329bgKhNxXM= X-HE-Tag: 1754411278-297465 X-HE-Meta: U2FsdGVkX1+jW7fWGr0m1rtiGnZPASvYaXTiSgjXMrYDUEwDFY31TjNzmbqpvPpvcK1QthBx+NyhYxprBo8wSbpzL5jXwsn8QWixwGjCjbh+IBZ8p2Q7foEXnXEcnVLmEcvfGJxGpf4fTABTSpYVu5+edPp6HGUpGEqMf/IFTDe02xWgo11k8NbHM3Gxj0ax9j0T1/92rUcw7YEP8SennYWgicvQOq8Su8/c+K10FBPz8mEWRQ2llzxnWLOBOGshwEpzfVdd/OXebQfyEAD8NtmIW9N4bl8FlZFqnMu/a2Toj2HvzuVzzH8jDNsjgJac1g52Mo64RfAT25HygS/eEB6ZfBLYWYJs On Tue, 5 Aug 2025 17:08:44 +0100 Mark Brown wrote: > On Tue, Aug 05, 2025 at 05:38:55PM +0200, Jiri Kosina wrote: > > > This proposal is coming as a followup to the brief IRC discussion that > > happened a few months back. > > > The amount of e-mails that are coming (with maintainers directly CCed) as > > a result of patches being merged to -stable is so overwhelming that I am > > not sure that people are making any productive use of it whatsoever. > > > I am personally pretty much ignoring most of it, as (a) I wouldn't have > > time to do anything else otherwise (b) I don't have a sufficient > > motivation / time to invest effort into stable in the fist place. > > > I feel it'd be beneficial to discuss this, and (depending on the outcome) > > perhaps make it opt-in (or opt-out) at least, with people/subsystems > > having means how to be excluded from all that ... ? I have a love hate relationship with these stable emails. I like to see what is happening but I just don't have the time to review them. But every so often, one catches my attention where I think a patch shouldn't be added. But that's very few and far between. Now, if something is marked for stable, I really don't want to be bothered that it made it to a stable tree. If I marked something for stable, sending me an email that it was applied is rather redundant. I do care about the patches that are marked but fail to apply. I like getting those emails. Although I still don't have the time to fix them :-p > > One thing I'd really like to see there would be to avoid sending each > patch separately for every stable version, that just blows up the mail > volume hugely especially for those of us with subsystems that carry a > lot of quirks. I'm sure the range of versions something is being pulled > back to could be expressed in a single mail instead, it's always some > range of versions being processed en masse rather than just a single > version. The per version cover letter is more useful for replying with > test results but that doesn't need the whole series. Yes, I agree that a digest of all the autoselects would be good. Possibly even a link to the stable git tree of the commit each was added to would work. -- Steve