From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-1.web.codeaurora.org [10.30.226.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6FFD0253F17; Wed, 19 Feb 2025 21:07:18 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1739999238; cv=none; b=In/g1moTsf3xwJF/tv5cPXDJMODhNnwC3mEG5BDdhdqkGCXXsiHJZ4Keq4JZWktPmWmeXbGqzeWeB/sQYVk8QDaLrENlootYTjZPOOWN0TEda6KjOb4pLUItER00g7OrKXKHkkh+CtgRKdC9R34HvvDpKqnZf2TXAouLcX70lUk= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1739999238; c=relaxed/simple; bh=q5Dno9KGE76iX8QZyfpoYdDtWmIYmkGZ/czzpbsuVfs=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=YjxyHRooWchCoihzMIvJCTuwk74ap1+TKxGp+7Q1Jc2Qt0HYzKnt6upvxtf2CrZnYrMXnGbgF4uFxC/DAbTxL0YbIoQL7DXIMN56gNz1Bn82/iN8mkfiK4wnr4wR0htu4mjqfazQHtUew+YhbK3zX3H4IHIjC0RVErvGwuwuF5g= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B3958C4CED1; Wed, 19 Feb 2025 21:07:16 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2025 16:07:40 -0500 From: Steven Rostedt To: Bart Van Assche Cc: Jason Gunthorpe , Kees Cook , Miguel Ojeda , Christoph Hellwig , rust-for-linux , Linus Torvalds , Greg KH , David Airlie , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, ksummit@lists.linux.dev Subject: Re: Rust kernel policy Message-ID: <20250219160740.52ad61d4@gandalf.local.home> In-Reply-To: <97841173-1de8-4221-8bf3-3470a5ac98a7@acm.org> References: <202502191026.8B6FD47A1@keescook> <20250219140821.27fa1e8a@gandalf.local.home> <202502191117.8E1BCD4615@keescook> <20250219202751.GA42073@nvidia.com> <20250219154610.30dc6223@gandalf.local.home> <97841173-1de8-4221-8bf3-3470a5ac98a7@acm.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.20.0git84 (GTK+ 2.24.33; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 12:52:14 -0800 Bart Van Assche wrote: > On 2/19/25 12:46 PM, Steven Rostedt wrote: > > I do feel that new drivers written in Rust would help with the > > vulnerabilities that new drivers usually add to the kernel. > > For driver developers it is easier to learn C than to learn Rust. I'm > not sure that all driver developers, especially the "drive by" > developers, have the skills to learn Rust. That's a short term problem. But it's not like we are going to ban C from all new drivers. But as Rust becomes more popular, we should at the very least make it easy to support Rust drivers. -- Steve