From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-1.web.codeaurora.org [10.30.226.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3560219D889; Thu, 25 Jul 2024 17:37:53 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1721929074; cv=none; b=tqS4V8cZ0v6sivgkQmehCx5Z7DrcqaLOblGsAZ8snaebEtF3SHKML04XAXAJUQxOPfGL7qW6PRXnCyOE/6UEF/8Wp9T6Zwuhn33jcQROiDG+S/gpKfgJD3WaaYwkSo8gAUSrkVBJkfpXnG71U/N+Fz3HSsv7Ybl19qugiyYRMvM= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1721929074; c=relaxed/simple; bh=kYShI7202uUqTsxcN5MLRjtETtPxifWaKs6rENWee6c=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To; b=j6fU67Hc5KbWpvmCi9aw+Thsyb5blAS1+gJxm+HXfUMuGIx+ShTj0ieu86aCYyZJPBS18XjIR8fuTun89IRZdv2sQ8EcfuNNCPCNCZkBvu0pQzdWgh2oaY20ZI6MUmX2yWJ9UXk3ZQd6cApBT5gNlwJObGSQCM6NEGf80gqRn/s= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b=OUdpgeVf; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b="OUdpgeVf" Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 03AC5C116B1; Thu, 25 Jul 2024 17:37:52 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1721929073; bh=kYShI7202uUqTsxcN5MLRjtETtPxifWaKs6rENWee6c=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=OUdpgeVf4TqbnNYWNppOKDILDNSQAaEdVDXpl2EsTyNzhhGygo/kFj/d+wI+sscM0 USrlUhS2r1Z3JgL0W+t6bgswvscmjwi2r+WJGLVpHPhHOSqU8jVRv4d/hfXcB+49hv VhsPsAVnDbAp5uNRKhMtFX11+udtP3xbLd1exGD3u58jg95lUExGERgvPLnVugRxF6 A86ORSKdm8/OeZl+s9lw6mTw+yLcw16vsYwhb8mSTcXkvxgUxTacl92hDF9sW4C4Sn br+/bjXtGotEsrmnGZyKDRgMFYtANjuysqTBR/ot/hdxsMCI4Iti1pJAiQTZy49E7+ LGiAhS9mV5kHg== Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2024 20:37:47 +0300 From: Leon Romanovsky To: James Bottomley Cc: Mark Brown , Ricardo Ribalda Delgado , Laurent Pinchart , Jiri Kosina , Dan Williams , ksummit@lists.linux.dev, linux-cxl@vger.kernel.org, linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org, jgg@nvidia.com Subject: Re: [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Device Passthrough Considered Harmful? Message-ID: <20240725173747.GH7022@unreal> References: <1e82a5c97e915144e01dd65575929c15bc0db397.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <20240724200012.GA23293@pendragon.ideasonboard.com> <20240725122315.GE7022@unreal> <20240725132035.GF7022@unreal> <1d7a4437-d072-42c4-b5fe-21e097eb5b9c@sirena.org.uk> <20240725141856.GG7022@unreal> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 10:22:48AM -0400, James Bottomley wrote: > On Thu, 2024-07-25 at 17:18 +0300, Leon Romanovsky wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 02:29:36PM +0100, Mark Brown wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 04:20:35PM +0300, Leon Romanovsky wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 03:02:13PM +0200, Ricardo Ribalda Delgado > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > As a user, and as an open source Distro developer I have a > > > > > small hint. But you could also ask users what they think about > > > > > not being able to use their notebook's cameras. The last time > > > > > that I could not use some basic hardware from a notebook with > > > > > Linux was 20 years ago. > > > > > > > Lucky you, I still have consumer hardware (speaker) that doesn't > > > > work with Linux, and even now, there is basic hardware in my > > > > current laptop (HP docking station) that doesn't work reliably in > > > > Linux. > > > > > > FWIW for most audio issues (especially built in stuff) with laptops > > > if you report it upstream it'll generally be relatively easy to > > > quirk. Unfortunately it's idiomatic for ACPI systems to quirk off > > > DMI information for almost everything which means a constant stream > > > of per system quirks for subsystems like audio. > > > > It is Jabra USB speaker. One day, I will have time to debug it :). > > Those actually do work with Linux. It's the speakers Plumbers has > provided to BoF/Hack sessions that needed remote attendees. There was > a pulseaudio issue a while ago that any Mic/Speaker combination that > exported HFP instead of HSP didn't work, but that's fixed upstream (but > you might need to upgrade your pulseaudio). I don't want to hijack this thread, but I tried now my two Jabra speakers (one is used and another is brand new which I got from IT) and both don't work on my FC40 laptop. Thanks > > James > >