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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
To: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>
Cc: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	ksummit@lists.linux.dev, linux-cxl@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Device Passthrough Considered Harmful?
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2024 10:27:54 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240722132754.GA3371438@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240721185105.GC23783@pendragon.ideasonboard.com>

On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 09:51:05PM +0300, Laurent Pinchart wrote:

> That may be the case in the server world, and for protocols such as
> NVMe. My experience in the media world differs. I've seen too many
> horrors to list them all here, so I'll only mention one of the worst
> examples coming to my mind, of an (BSP) driver taking a physical address
> from unpriviledged userspace and giving it to a DMA engine without any
> filtering. I think this was mostly to be blamed on the developer not
> knowing better, there was no malicious intent.
> 
> In general, can we trust closed-source firmwares when they document the
> side effects of pass-through commands ? Again, I think the answer
> differs between different classes of devices, the security culture is
> not uniform across the whole IT industry.

That does make sense to me, and I certainly don't feel the same
comfort when looking at embedded or consumer HW that has a
historically much weaker security story.

Jason

  reply	other threads:[~2024-07-22 13:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 126+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-07-08 22:26 Dan Williams
2024-07-09  6:09 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-07-09 19:43   ` Dan Williams
2024-07-10 13:05     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-21 18:51       ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-22 13:27         ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2024-07-09 10:01 ` Greg KH
2024-07-09 12:25   ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-07-09 12:33     ` Greg KH
2024-07-09 12:47       ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-07-11 14:07         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-09 20:09   ` Dan Williams
2024-07-09 16:02 ` James Bottomley
2024-07-09 22:15   ` Dan Williams
2024-07-10 13:22     ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-07-11 11:00       ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-07-11 15:05       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-11 17:01         ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-07-11 17:45           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-11 16:36       ` Dan Williams
2024-07-12 10:37         ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-07-21 19:25     ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-22  7:31       ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-07-22  8:53         ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-22 10:44           ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-07-22 11:10             ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-22 13:28               ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-07-22 14:13                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-22 14:43                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-22 10:42       ` Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
2024-07-22 11:18         ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-22 11:56           ` Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
2024-07-25 20:01             ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-26  8:04               ` Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
2024-07-26 10:59                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-26 15:40                   ` Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
2024-07-28 17:18                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-29  9:58                       ` Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
2024-07-29 10:31                         ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-31 11:54                         ` Sakari Ailus
2024-07-31 13:15                           ` Daniel Vetter
2024-08-02 15:07                             ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-08-13 10:17                             ` Tomasz Figa
2024-08-13 10:26                               ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-08-13 10:33                                 ` Tomasz Figa
2024-08-13 10:58                                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-11 13:50   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-11 15:16     ` James Bottomley
2024-07-11 16:29       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-23 11:20 ` Jiri Kosina
2024-07-23 11:36   ` James Bottomley
2024-07-23 23:22     ` Jiri Kosina
2024-07-24 20:12       ` James Bottomley
2024-07-24 20:00     ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-24 20:37       ` James Bottomley
2024-07-24 21:10         ` Steven Rostedt
2024-07-25 19:31         ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-25 19:43           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-25 20:07             ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-25 23:39               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-26  8:04               ` Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
2024-07-26 12:49                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-26 13:11                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-26 14:22                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-26 15:43                       ` Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
2024-07-28 15:25                         ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-29  9:57                           ` Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
2024-07-29 14:20                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-26  8:03           ` Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
2024-07-26 13:22             ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-26 15:44               ` Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
2024-07-28 17:02                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-26 16:49           ` James Bottomley
2024-07-28 16:44             ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-26 17:33         ` Daniel Vetter
2024-07-29 14:10           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-25  9:26       ` Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
2024-07-25 10:51         ` Wolfram Sang
2024-07-25 12:23         ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-07-25 13:02           ` Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
2024-07-25 13:20             ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-07-25 13:29               ` Mark Brown
2024-07-25 14:18                 ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-07-25 14:22                   ` James Bottomley
2024-07-25 17:37                     ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-07-26 13:58                       ` James Bottomley
2024-07-25 19:42               ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-26  8:02                 ` Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
2024-07-26 13:11                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-26 15:40                     ` Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
2024-07-28 11:23                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-29  9:56                         ` Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
2024-07-29 10:38                           ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-26 16:01                     ` James Bottomley
2024-07-26 17:56                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-25 13:44             ` Steven Rostedt
2024-07-26 14:27 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-26 15:34   ` Steven Rostedt
2024-07-28 16:03     ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-27  0:16   ` Dan Williams
2024-07-28 11:18     ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-28 15:16       ` Greg KH
2024-07-28 15:34         ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-28 15:49         ` James Bottomley
2024-07-29  6:10           ` Greg KH
2024-07-31 12:33             ` James Bottomley
2024-07-31 12:45               ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-08-01 14:41               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-07  0:06                 ` Dan Williams
2024-08-07  0:13                   ` James Bottomley
2024-08-16 11:12                   ` Hannes Reinecke
2024-07-29 14:56           ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-07-29 15:16             ` Greg KH
2024-07-29 15:29             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-29 12:45 ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-07-29 13:38   ` Borislav Petkov
2024-07-29 14:29     ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-07-29 14:58       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-30 13:19         ` Borislav Petkov
2024-08-01 14:23           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-29 15:42   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-29 22:37     ` Dan Williams
2024-07-30  7:13       ` Daniel Vetter
2024-08-01 14:22         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-06  7:14           ` Daniel Vetter
2024-08-06 13:04             ` Jason Gunthorpe

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