From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-1.web.codeaurora.org [10.30.226.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6D71D1422DD for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2024 11:21:18 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1718277678; cv=none; b=kNbUzittB/iJUIvEC29MudhcBb+ZuXmgIiTGWtj6rzR3fHY+w6Z6lCNoQ0vX1cxx2sAvG8esgX31kGB7pY/xBDsj5ZNeOe8oxvsBzyuSfAvbSWjdNbmQ3U4W3/5uhbo9fWFDoRUA7fiqPnr12JW3m2DR4UbnGF0T4U53SylRtlg= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1718277678; c=relaxed/simple; bh=OaUQZu91pRIS675ZKfEojsCoS+tC5Y6wBIw4ObxN6jY=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To; b=Cm8lREauD7xvm6a/ToP771y7tKTyn5MLp5rNSMV0ZvmprfPKuI6nr6AqrsiNx78BMwkh9i+fw/wGHxAilB/mvNMvMIvUunSUj8zMZkjzu8wJng5hqVxK++L4Qx+UsYuJQT6bgY+On6nQIkq6jSi7ij5azw6ayhIztbKQKKVRXDI= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=linuxfoundation.org header.i=@linuxfoundation.org header.b=QVGOSdRZ; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=linuxfoundation.org header.i=@linuxfoundation.org header.b="QVGOSdRZ" Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8F01AC2BBFC; Thu, 13 Jun 2024 11:21:17 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=linuxfoundation.org; s=korg; t=1718277677; bh=OaUQZu91pRIS675ZKfEojsCoS+tC5Y6wBIw4ObxN6jY=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=QVGOSdRZsGiayFdNoP/71K5B5qZHJu4X6W90zytvKClMFhP0WWbThLi9amoieWQU/ tz5qieV7yYusvvz0OHaJtdI5tMVdIVZVFkX1txKoqZq6HTxEDRDHlOeumkZdKyL9Pw 4fhdo/zXIEgu2Mgysy+Gn5ELHyuLPZ7nuZU3PiUA= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2024 13:21:15 +0200 From: Greg KH To: Johannes Berg Cc: Thorsten Leemhuis , "ksummit@lists.linux.dev" Subject: Re: [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] [2/4] Ensure recent mainline regression are fixed in latest stable series Message-ID: <2024061332-amazingly-haggler-de9a@gregkh> References: <68ad780601dd5788ab7c18e8ba683e808cf98f4c.camel@sipsolutions.net> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <68ad780601dd5788ab7c18e8ba683e808cf98f4c.camel@sipsolutions.net> On Thu, Jun 13, 2024 at 01:02:44PM +0200, Johannes Berg wrote: > On Thu, 2024-06-13 at 10:32 +0200, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > > > > I know I'm asking a lot here, especially from the file system folks due > > to the testing this will require. And I fully understand the > > participation in stable maintenance always has been and still is > > optional for mainline developers -- and that this would change it. > > > > But I'm bringing this up anyway, as users afaics expect "fix recently > > introduced problems with new minor releases' > > You are saying that users can have it both ways: not test each release, > but actually get fixes in each release... > > So no, I strongly object to putting *even* more work onto maintainers, > basically making us all responsible for stable releases. I also agree. Remember, the FIRST rule of us doing a stable release at all was that we would NOT put any extra work on any maintainer or developer that did not want to do anything extra. Let's not change that please. thanks, greg k-h