From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-1.web.codeaurora.org [10.30.226.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC9FA17DE31 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2024 15:26:24 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1718205984; cv=none; b=caJYkH7pYvsnZccfpmPowmNqH6LV+9EOJ+JfonajCwb008XgrQeCozvaKULlu/N0uzdcMH5mhNSfq8NV2aIzkLqqcUodj5/ZS1gTlcdFbZ48XaCNOO1s901o7LYnYJwV5GDBDOwsH4iGO0TkS9Qe+ic/QudXTRhSiVYdb5o+V1A= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1718205984; c=relaxed/simple; bh=wXHmrh2aia5ugTAsx6TS6aLcmglFmWaujs4D+/7LRUw=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ZwMCURCR+Jv6oJ7is/4MXz0tc3kBvxygtnDTN5Cyp4oCIUEWlwKQ7hKd709ea0TgBzipDBZfGSX1mbVkxE6JxF3cv6Ivkpg+XsBQFEcnfEiwQ10S47KHOOUM7G9qyW3MbX+OcEEv2f2REyyjwYxBlXxD5CKRaJMwoS7tOpymgKY= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C5EF8C32786; Wed, 12 Jun 2024 15:26:23 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2024 11:26:22 -0400 From: Steven Rostedt To: Thorsten Leemhuis Cc: "ksummit@lists.linux.dev" Subject: Re: [TECH TOPIC] regressions: our workflows are the biggest enemy Message-ID: <20240612112622.21bf7c89@rorschach.local.home> In-Reply-To: <5182e50a-3d13-4edc-8f2a-a024e0588177@leemhuis.info> References: <5182e50a-3d13-4edc-8f2a-a024e0588177@leemhuis.info> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.8 (GTK+ 2.24.33; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, 12 Jun 2024 08:34:42 +0200 Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > The talk among others will describe why some workflow patterns are what > frequently leads to regressions -- and why they are also a factor why > some subsystems fix regression quickly, while others take weeks or > months to resolve. The above looks more than a TECH TOPIC. If you have real numbers that point out workflows that are an issue, I think this should be discussed at Maintainers Summit, and perhaps we should start "encouraging" people to change their workflows. Especially if we have hard data showing that it's not working. /me hopes he's not one of the ones with a bad workflow! -- Steve