From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from perceval.ideasonboard.com (perceval.ideasonboard.com [213.167.242.64]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9DFA512E67 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2023 10:15:07 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=ideasonboard.com Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=ideasonboard.com Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=ideasonboard.com header.i=@ideasonboard.com header.b="r6R+0BS5" Received: from pendragon.ideasonboard.com (213-243-189-158.bb.dnainternet.fi [213.243.189.158]) by perceval.ideasonboard.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4A444468; Tue, 7 Nov 2023 11:14:45 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ideasonboard.com; s=mail; t=1699352085; bh=KZzSnsxhdsTTpzbL1qBo8n/j2uOJlBQxHAt3GkRQc6Y=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=r6R+0BS5KEdv14R7bX9C/qgqoAznJ6DIzUGwrXvCxQyEqr/CWMvXqAmsp2qwTRjyP EMbOZZtZE0/ZITitrd4WGaq6nEmSNEMq2FN+U4dlqniZvRaC7EbHqJ0j5XqdY1/ZKX 6NByP+spjZlQY+gNaQxbiogYKlVBuU5l9/3foSoA= Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2023 12:15:13 +0200 From: Laurent Pinchart To: Paolo Bonzini Cc: Pavel Machek , Konstantin Ryabitsev , users@linux.kernel.org, ksummit@lists.linux.dev Subject: Re: RFC: switching "THE REST" in MAINTAINERS away from linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Message-ID: <20231107101513.GB27932@pendragon.ideasonboard.com> References: <20231106-venomous-raccoon-of-wealth-acc57c@nitro> <34eda1fe-0e14-4f12-b472-d152eadb7b88@redhat.com> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <34eda1fe-0e14-4f12-b472-d152eadb7b88@redhat.com> On Tue, Nov 07, 2023 at 10:18:58AM +0100, Paolo Bonzini wrote: > On 11/6/23 23:52, Pavel Machek wrote: > >> For this reason, I propose switching the "F: *" entry in MAINTAINERS > >> ("THE REST") topatches@lists.linux.dev instead. This list differs from LKML > >> in the following important aspects: > > > > How many patches are in "the rest" area? I don't think it is that > > many, and I believe those should be broadcasted, as it is not clear > > who should handle them. And lkml seems to be reasonable place for them > > at the moment. > > Indeed, I suspect that a lot of the traffic to LKML does not come from > "THE REST", but rather from people using a git-send-email configuration like > > [sendemail] > to = linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Do we document this as being a recommended git-send-email configuration ? That sounds horrible :-( Documentation/process/submitting-patches.rst states linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org should be used by default for all patches, but the volume on that list has caused a number of developers to tune it out. Please do not spam unrelated lists and unrelated people, though. This should be updated, even if for the only reason that the text is quite confusing (in my opinion at least, I'm not sure if it means LKML should be used for all patches, or shouldn't). To give another data point, balancing a bit the replies that expressed surprise at Konstantin's point that LKML is generally seen as useless for holding actual discussions, I do not follow LKML at all due to the amount of mails that are not general discussions. It drowns the useful information in noise for me. > I'm afraid that having everyone switch this to patches@lists.linux.dev > will take a looooong time. Right now I import LKML via public-inbox for > use by https://patchew.org/linux/, it doesn't include all messages but > it's pretty close; the patches@lists.linux.dev mailing list by > comparison hardly gets any message apart from Greg's stable kernel queues. -- Regards, Laurent Pinchart