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From: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>
To: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>
Cc: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
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Subject: Re: RFC: switching "THE REST" in MAINTAINERS away from
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On Tue, Nov 07, 2023 at 12:15:13PM +0200, Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 07, 2023 at 10:18:58AM +0100, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> > On 11/6/23 23:52, Pavel Machek wrote:
> > >> For this reason, I propose switching the "F: *" entry in MAINTAINERS
> > >> ("THE REST") topatches@lists.linux.dev  instead. This list differs from LKML
> > >> in the following important aspects:
> > >
> > > How many patches are in "the rest" area? I don't think it is that
> > > many, and I believe those should be broadcasted, as it is not clear
> > > who should handle them. And lkml seems to be reasonable place for them
> > > at the moment.
> > 
> > Indeed, I suspect that a lot of the traffic to LKML does not come from 
> > "THE REST", but rather from people using a git-send-email configuration like
> > 
> > 	[sendemail]
> > 	to = linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
> 
> Do we document this as being a recommended git-send-email configuration
> ? That sounds horrible :-( Documentation/process/submitting-patches.rst
> states
> 
>   linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org should be used by default for all
>   patches, but the volume on that list has caused a number of developers
>   to tune it out.  Please do not spam unrelated lists and unrelated
>   people, though.
> 
> This should be updated, even if for the only reason that the text is
> quite confusing (in my opinion at least, I'm not sure if it means LKML
> should be used for all patches, or shouldn't).
> 
> To give another data point, balancing a bit the replies that expressed
> surprise at Konstantin's point that LKML is generally seen as useless
> for holding actual discussions, I do not follow LKML at all due to the
> amount of mails that are not general discussions. It drowns the useful
> information in noise for me.

I think changing the default so that our tools don't automatically point
to lkml will be the key.  For example, here's what get_maintainer.pl
says to do:

	$ ./scripts/get_maintainer.pl drivers/usb/Kconfig
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org> (supporter:USB SUBSYSTEM)
	linux-usb@vger.kernel.org (open list:USB SUBSYSTEM)
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org (open list)

Why, when we have a valid mailing list (linux-usb), should lkml also be
involved?  I think this patch changes this, which is a good thing and
should cut down on the overall size over time.

thanks,

greg k-h