From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-1.web.codeaurora.org [10.30.226.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C891F28E07; Mon, 6 Nov 2023 15:33:22 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=linuxfoundation.org header.i=@linuxfoundation.org header.b="F8tmy15e" Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1B264C433C7; Mon, 6 Nov 2023 15:33:22 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=linuxfoundation.org; s=korg; t=1699284802; bh=scLYA2xHpD8TJDZ2tmePHaDPpLiKTAdohjVL5PgfmLM=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=F8tmy15eHIreBRWjK3IUBflI3SngFOcQkgvq8Nx5wEM7npKQA2Eq+hx0HfUwiEi0M jqLUC6VWmtdkKXzVvM0RcptNR2vNIvOaiiVriGPindveQhSiHEi4F6s869Va8jMp1k jX8eBRtY8GNR4H9uGKcrfRSnaz6rMH8rz8+CwHiU= Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2023 10:33:21 -0500 From: Konstantin Ryabitsev To: users@linux.kernel.org, ksummit@lists.linux.dev Subject: RFC: switching "THE REST" in MAINTAINERS away from linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Message-ID: <20231106-venomous-raccoon-of-wealth-acc57c@nitro> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Hello, all: About 70% of all vger traffic is linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org ("LKML"), which is explained by the following 2 facts: 1. There are ~2900 subscribers to that list 2. It is added to all patches because it has "F: *" in MAINTAINERS In the past month alone that list received 33,000 posts, which translates to about 3.1 million messages delivered daily. This has pretty critical downsides: - due to the sheer volume of messages, LKML is generally seen as useless for holding any actual discussions - people tend to subscribe gmail accounts to it and then filter out what they don't want - due to gmail's quota policies, this generally results in anywhere from 50K to 200K messages stuck in the queue all trying to deliver to gmail and being deferred with "this account is receiving too much mail" For this reason, I propose switching the "F: *" entry in MAINTAINERS ("THE REST") to patches@lists.linux.dev instead. This list differs from LKML in the following important aspects: - it allows unrestricted posting, but - all subscriptions must be pre-moderated, with the goal to only allow bot accounts to receive patches sent to that list (e.g. currently only the 0-day bot is subscribed) - it is made available via public-inbox/lei and anonymous POP3, so those who want to still be able to have it delivered into their Gmail inbox will be able to set it up via POP3 import functionality (docs forthcoming) This should improve the situation as follows: - reduce the traffic seen on LKML to more reasonable volumes - eventually get things to the point where sending something to linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org will be a reasonable action and not just screaming into the void (spitting into hurricane-force gale?) - unclog the outgoing queues and speed up mail delivery for everyone Please let me know your thoughts. I will also be happy to discuss this at the upcoming kernel/maintainer summit. -K