From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-1.web.codeaurora.org [10.30.226.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CEA641FA5; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 04:58:40 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=linux-foundation.org header.i=@linux-foundation.org header.b="RnPDW1si" Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1DA02C433C9; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 04:58:40 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=linux-foundation.org; s=korg; t=1698123520; bh=S0th/boKiLGnON1ey4xgB1axQfKN7ZcEoC6cvI93OcE=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=RnPDW1siSvlCPsUSHk597l638SSjLM2QWIipVZs1SgG57Rarx31q9qNDW1OMd6Q0l Mm5IflxyJqx2G7+/sElQ3byl4BYkuxrMhIMpqYpPCpzQhpXO4C3Q555zqxt1IwmbOL J23zsElqOKpozrj0K/TdG8UZIelcHpsFkQ47kGF0= Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2023 21:58:39 -0700 From: Andrew Morton To: Konstantin Ryabitsev Cc: Linus Torvalds , Dan Carpenter , ksummit@lists.linux.dev, outreachy@lists.linux.dev, kernel-janitors@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: KTODO automated TODO lists Message-Id: <20231023215839.bb712e78fec6a6e0c3e6b62f@linux-foundation.org> In-Reply-To: <20231023-righteous-peridot-parakeet-1bbda0@meerkat> References: <369bc919-1a1d-4f37-9cc9-742a86a41282@kadam.mountain> <20231023114949.34fc967988c354547f79c4e7@linux-foundation.org> <20231023-righteous-peridot-parakeet-1bbda0@meerkat> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.8.0beta1 (GTK+ 2.24.33; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 15:41:48 -0400 Konstantin Ryabitsev wrote: > On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 08:55:56AM -1000, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > > Well here's a task: write a bot which follows the mailing lists and > > > sends people nastygrams if one of their emails is more than 95%(?) > > > quoted text. > > > > I think that might be better off as a spam filter rule. > > > > Don't make it some after-the-fact "trawl the lists". Just make it a > > bounce with a "you quoted too much". Same as the html avoidance. > > I know people aren't being very serious, but automating this away either > aggressively (reject as spam) or passive-agressively (whine at poster) will > run into rare but valid corner cases. For example, we have no way of > distinguishing between "this person quoted too much from previous message" and > "this person posted a large but relevant quote from docs or another > conversation," and so we will likely punish/annoy the innocent. Rejecting a legtimate email would be bad. So we choose "whine at poster". If it's a false positive then they'll somehow survive the experience. And, most importantly, the mail will get through. > It's better to treat this as a mentoring opportunity and send an off-list > reply with "please trim your quotes" and maybe a link to > https://people.kernel.org/tglx/notes-about-netiquette I'm tiring of sending off-list emails. This task could be automated. Which is what I'm suggesting! > If it helps, I can add a mailing list etiquette page on subspace.kernel.org, > so it's easier to find. Great, link to that in the whiney emails.