From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-1.web.codeaurora.org [10.30.226.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 34FB3371 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2023 02:51:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F323CC433C8; Thu, 7 Sep 2023 02:51:25 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2023 22:51:39 -0400 From: Steven Rostedt To: Dave Chinner Cc: Guenter Roeck , Christoph Hellwig , ksummit@lists.linux.dev, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [MAINTAINERS/KERNEL SUMMIT] Trust and maintenance of file systems Message-ID: <20230906225139.6ffe953c@gandalf.local.home> In-Reply-To: References: <8718a8a3-1e62-0e2b-09d0-7bce3155b045@roeck-us.net> <20230906215327.18a45c89@gandalf.local.home> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.19.1 (GTK+ 2.24.33; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Thu, 7 Sep 2023 12:22:43 +1000 Dave Chinner wrote: > > Anyway, what about just having read-only be the minimum for supporting a > > file system? We can say "sorry, due to no one maintaining this file system, > > we will no longer allow write access." But I'm guessing that just > > supporting reading an old file system is much easier than modifying one > > (wasn't that what we did with NTFS for the longest time?) > > "Read only" doesn't mean the filesytsem implementation is in any way > secure, robust or trustworthy - the kernel is still parsing > untrusted data in ring 0 using unmaintained, bit-rotted, untested > code.... It's just a way to still easily retrieve it, than going through and looking for those old ISOs that still might exist on the interwebs. I wouldn't recommend anyone actually having that code enabled on a system that doesn't need access to one of those file systems. I guess the point I'm making is, what's the burden in keeping it around in the read-only state? It shouldn't require any updates for new features, which is the complaint I believe Willy was having. -- Steve