From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-1.web.codeaurora.org [10.30.226.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A2B2A8C10 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2023 08:55:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A5BD2C433C8; Tue, 22 Aug 2023 08:55:15 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=linuxfoundation.org; s=korg; t=1692694516; bh=JwqaqPE8Leo2D/G70veQLe3YYRpussKTwVornXV63Pc=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=QOerpyWiw8dgzFs/YiNry0DXYrktBcDKVxyui9W4pyrJjfivBXNkxb8HBBne75D9O somEhC88+P6u8gP2lR1PzldAa6F34vglzEI0vWHqcl+Gi9KOyUAtexnqpeuqHy//YE yZ2OcTGxBHUGLi5vozHEqdi7AwpxU06/4ebL+ZL4= Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 10:55:13 +0200 From: Greg KH To: Dan Williams Cc: ksummit@lists.linux.dev Subject: Re: [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Between a rock and a hard place, managing expectations... Message-ID: <2023082250-replace-rectangle-1d47@gregkh> References: <64e404a979f54_4c1f3294d3@dwillia2-mobl3.amr.corp.intel.com.notmuch> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <64e404a979f54_4c1f3294d3@dwillia2-mobl3.amr.corp.intel.com.notmuch> On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 05:43:21PM -0700, Dan Williams wrote: > - When do vendors need to share a common ABI? When they do the "same type of thing" :) > - How well is our "community consensus" protocol working to give > contributors actionable feedback? > - Is there more we can do to enable contributors to steer the right path > out of the expediency vs maintainability trap? > > "Confidential Computing" is an example of an area with several > cross-silicon-vendor implementations that continue to add features with > a steady stream of upstream design decisions that cross multiple > subsystems. And the normal "you all need to get together and agree on an api yourself, otherwise we can't take any of this" should work here, right? Well, except for the groups that snuck stuff in before we realized what it really was, I guess we are stuck with them. Why not have the community "fight it out" among themselves first, before we have to worry about it? thanks, greg k-h