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From: Leon Romanovsky <leon@kernel.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
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Subject: Re: [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Maintainer burnout
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On Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 07:07:24PM +0200, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Aug 2023 at 17:10, Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > I was wondering last time if we can do a run of short sessions
> > where a few volunteers talk about their subsystems? Let's say
> > 10min talking about
> >  - current process subsystem uses
> >  - "realities" / day to day challenges / problems
> >  - how the subsystem is evolving the process
> 
> I feel like we did exactly that a few years in a row, but it was
> probably back before covid times, and probably when it was still
> called the "kernel summit" rather than "maintainer summit".

<...>

> I do think the whole "how to spread the pain of being a maintainer" is
> very much the point of the maintainer summit, though, so I do think we
> should revisit.

It is worth to try to get honest feedback from active developers/contributors/vendors
what is their "real" excuse for not doing code review.

I saw in this thread about "have no time to do code review" answers and we
all can relate to it, but IMHO it is just an excuse and not the real reason.
Especially for a people who are employed by big corporations to do their
upstream work.

>From what I personally saw, the reasons can be different from truly
no time upto toxic subsystem behavior with huge variety and gray areas
in between.

It is not clear to me how to get honest answers without fear of loosing
an ability to work with that subsystems later.

Thanks

> 
>               Linus
>