From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mail-qv1-f44.google.com (mail-qv1-f44.google.com [209.85.219.44]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D22C42599 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 15:31:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qv1-f44.google.com with SMTP id u8so1111720qvv.9 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 08:31:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=linuxfoundation.org; s=google; h=in-reply-to:content-disposition:mime-version:references:message-id :subject:cc:to:from:date:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=aDk5WhTWYMUS/Nso1zDY1vnbhdE3LxgEUkl0R9z8ikc=; b=fPZW2E15BveHnk+U+E2xsZfNruZ86H0qoVWMvgoDRp8LH8O++N2Te7BG0k08r2OaLy ftLEnS9PkDbmVxKsLnBgATVeGuFmaz+yhvNZHPRO/Lg/TsUROe30efvPXffm93CuJcoE Afylt8OU1K6UECrE+L02k9cPxn5B/QVCsR1E0= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=in-reply-to:content-disposition:mime-version:references:message-id :subject:cc:to:from:date:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=aDk5WhTWYMUS/Nso1zDY1vnbhdE3LxgEUkl0R9z8ikc=; b=eypJMDOzTDGmj1pgymAr1bj8yBE68r5UEGUxExNL954pcTttZvCtJNVdiz4uqflx8+ 9Tg8UoyeVHShitc7/mVUJ27/eTExIE9K353aNTiFTCCEIRgWOL+bs/ze+b4XUxSC+vQj ZKJoW1RHAwPGfPTyWAVEg75suNiisA0ekKTM0v0xjp0H8JsBUwB3mw0rjGzCd8K9dOCw gO0fFZyUqTwVoNtaqphru0piBTQ+Z0w7D8QRIozpILvX+022ipDK2d+A9Xrp4g+f3A4p kAVQEeStqoqCsVVSKqLlrVizFS/zGesrAdWeCzn9V65gyu7eoLlURAhtAgGNi0oBCqeR u68w== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf0pv/zSSL1wgdslY3ejdSjs/OhvT2PrTFdA7PNoY4+wb0INF91i MXfr1sAW1NsBTQmD+NnQVwGiXDIXpkMzYA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM7i7zIg+oSnI+5G7rUm05ea+Hzm8A3YgGg00fNvZsrGxIXxfIvcax1QpG3R8agfqkdKbfJFAQ== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:29e7:b0:4af:487d:c049 with SMTP id jv7-20020a05621429e700b004af487dc049mr3121459qvb.96.1664465497726; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 08:31:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from meerkat.local (bras-base-mtrlpq5031w-grc-33-142-113-79-147.dsl.bell.ca. [142.113.79.147]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id az11-20020a05620a170b00b006b615cd8c13sm6104418qkb.106.2022.09.29.08.31.37 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 29 Sep 2022 08:31:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2022 11:31:35 -0400 From: Konstantin Ryabitsev To: "Artem S. Tashkinov" Cc: Thorsten Leemhuis , workflows@vger.kernel.org, LKML , Greg KH , Linus Torvalds , "regressions@lists.linux.dev" , ksummit@lists.linux.dev Subject: Re: Planned changes for bugzilla.kernel.org to reduce the "Bugzilla blues" Message-ID: <20220929153135.vu43n5kgdj4a3at6@meerkat.local> References: <05d149a0-e3de-8b09-ecc0-3ea73e080be3@leemhuis.info> <93a37d72-9a88-2eec-5125-9db3d67f5b65@gmx.com> <20220929130410.hxtmwmoogzkwcey7@meerkat.local> <7b427b41-9446-063d-3161-e43eb2e353f9@gmx.com> <20220929135325.4riz4ijva2vc7q5p@meerkat.local> <95c3384b-53d0-fd6c-6ec5-a7e03fdeddfc@gmx.com> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <95c3384b-53d0-fd6c-6ec5-a7e03fdeddfc@gmx.com> On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 02:22:10PM +0000, Artem S. Tashkinov wrote: > * Delete all the components. > * Leave a catch-all one. > * Let bug reports rot because no one will ever see them. Almost just > like now. Don't remind me of mailing lists. This is my proposal, except also: 1. post all new bugs and comments to a public-inbox feed that people can query via lore.kernel.org and tooling like lei. > Sarcasm and pain aside, Linus Torvalds himself _via Bugzilla_ has helped > me resolve critical issues on several occasions while my messages to > LKML were simply _ignored_. Think about that. In fact, he probably did this by replying to emails, not via the web interface. > Mailing lists will not work for such a huge project. Period. In the > early 90s they worked, but we are 25 years later with millions more > users. With a ton more of a ton more complicated hardware. We've recognized this a while ago, which is why our efforts have been targeted at query-based message feeds. Hence, tools like lore.kernel.org and lei. It's a work in progress, for sure, but it doesn't require any "everyone must switch workflows today" kind of coordination, and avoids introducing single points of failure by making it easy to replicate everything to mirrored systems. -K