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From: Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@kernel.org>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	ksummit@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [MAINTAINER SUMMIT] User-space requirements for accelerator drivers
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2021 00:51:27 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210912005127.7ef6efac@coco.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210911102007.77b8a189@rorschach.local.home>

Em Sat, 11 Sep 2021 10:20:07 -0400
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> escreveu:

> On Sat, 11 Sep 2021 03:20:50 +0300
> Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com> wrote:
> 
> > > Freely accessible documentation is really the key.    
> > 
> > In principle I'd agree, but that assumes such documentation would exist
> > in the first place, with a sufficient level of quality. In many cases an
> > open implementation the exercises all device features is a better form
> > of documentation than what vendors have, even internally. Of course, the
> > opposite is true as well, having seen too much vendor code for my own
> > good, there is such a thing as a working for unreadable implementation.
> > 
> > I fully agree with your point about feature completeness by the way,
> > vendors will always find ways to hide pieces of the API if they really
> > want to, but I think that would be true of documentation as well.  
> 
> I would like not only documentation, but also an open source test suite
> that simply tests the interface. Honestly, I believe that all new
> interfaces to the kernel (open or not) should have full documentation
> and a test suite interface before it gets accepted.

Fully agreed.

> We have
> tools/selftests that should be updated with all new interfaces into the
> kernel.
> 
> Even if it's just a smoke test, that would be fine. Obviously if
> there's a driver without hardware, it can't be tested. But if you have
> that hardware, perhaps there could be a simple test suite of the
> interface to let you know it is still functional.

Those days, if a vendor is adding support for a hardware that requires 
a new API, it usually means that it is a new hardware under development.
Only such vendor may have the hardware. A smoke test would mean about
nothing to the ones reviewing the patches, except if the vendor will
also be shipping it to the reviewers.

Thanks,
Mauro

  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-09-11 22:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-09-10 21:00 Jonathan Corbet
2021-09-10 21:32 ` Josh Triplett
2021-09-13 13:50   ` Christian Brauner
2021-09-13 13:57     ` Daniel Vetter
2021-09-14  2:07       ` Laurent Pinchart
2021-09-14 14:40   ` Jani Nikula
2021-09-14 14:45     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2021-09-14 14:59       ` Jani Nikula
2021-09-14 15:10         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2021-09-10 21:51 ` James Bottomley
2021-09-10 21:59   ` Alexandre Belloni
2021-09-10 22:35     ` James Bottomley
2021-09-11 14:51       ` Jonathan Corbet
2021-09-11 15:24         ` James Bottomley
2021-09-11 21:52           ` Laurent Pinchart
2021-09-14 13:22             ` Johannes Berg
2021-09-11  0:08   ` Laurent Pinchart
2021-09-10 22:52 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-09-10 23:45   ` Josh Triplett
2021-09-10 23:48     ` Dave Hansen
2021-09-11  0:13       ` Laurent Pinchart
2021-09-10 23:55     ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-09-11  0:20       ` Laurent Pinchart
2021-09-11 14:20         ` Steven Rostedt
2021-09-11 22:08           ` Laurent Pinchart
2021-09-11 22:42             ` Steven Rostedt
2021-09-11 23:10               ` Laurent Pinchart
2021-09-13 11:10               ` Mark Brown
2021-09-11 22:51           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab [this message]
2021-09-11 23:22           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-09-11 10:31       ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-09-11 11:41         ` Laurent Pinchart
2021-09-11 12:04           ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-09-11 22:04             ` Laurent Pinchart
2021-09-12  4:27               ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-09-12  7:26                 ` Greg KH
2021-09-12  8:29                   ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-09-12 13:25                     ` Greg KH
2021-09-12 14:15                       ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-09-12 14:34                         ` Greg KH
2021-09-12 16:41                           ` Laurent Pinchart
2021-09-12 20:35                           ` Dave Airlie
2021-09-12 20:41                           ` Dave Airlie
2021-09-12 20:49                             ` Daniel Vetter
2021-09-12 21:12                               ` Dave Airlie
2021-09-12 22:51                                 ` Linus Walleij
2021-09-12 23:15                                   ` Dave Airlie
2021-09-13 13:20                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-09-13 13:54                                     ` Daniel Vetter
2021-09-13 22:04                                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-09-13 23:33                                         ` Dave Airlie
2021-09-14  9:08                                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-09-14  9:23                                             ` Daniel Vetter
2021-09-14 10:47                                               ` Laurent Pinchart
2021-09-14 12:58                                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-09-14 19:45                                                 ` Daniel Vetter
2021-09-14 15:43                                             ` Luck, Tony
2021-09-13 14:52                                     ` James Bottomley
2021-09-14 13:07                                     ` Linus Walleij
2021-09-13 14:03                           ` Mark Brown
2021-09-12 15:55                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2021-09-12 16:43                         ` James Bottomley
2021-09-12 16:58                           ` Laurent Pinchart
2021-09-12 17:08                             ` James Bottomley
2021-09-12 19:52                   ` Dave Airlie
2021-09-12  7:46                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-09-12  8:00                   ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-09-12 14:53                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2021-09-12 15:41                       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-09-10 23:46   ` Laurent Pinchart
2021-09-11  0:38     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-09-11  9:27       ` Laurent Pinchart
2021-09-11 22:33         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-09-13 12:04         ` Mark Brown
2021-09-12 19:13 ` Dave Airlie
2021-09-12 19:48   ` Laurent Pinchart
2021-09-13  2:26     ` Dave Airlie

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