From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C248EAE7 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2018 00:02:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4AF8A83E for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2018 00:02:15 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 10:56:51 +1100 From: "Tobin C. Harding" To: Jani Nikula Message-ID: <20181115235651.GD5782@caerus> References: <154225759358.2499188.15268218778137905050.stgit@dwillia2-desk3.amr.corp.intel.com> <154225760492.2499188.14152986544451112930.stgit@dwillia2-desk3.amr.corp.intel.com> <87pnv6ivl7.fsf@intel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87pnv6ivl7.fsf@intel.com> Cc: ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org, vishal.l.verma@intel.com, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Steve French , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Mauro Carvalho Chehab , Dmitry Vyukov Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [RFC PATCH 2/3] MAINTAINERS, Handbook: Subsystem Profile List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 10:38:44AM +0200, Jani Nikula wrote: > > Cc: linux-doc > > On Wed, 14 Nov 2018, Dan Williams wrote: > > As presented at the 2018 Linux Plumbers conference [1], the Subsystem > > Profile is proposed as a way to reduce friction between committers and > > maintainers and perhaps encourage conversations amongst maintainers > > about best practice policies. > > > > The profile contains short answers to some of the common policy > > questions a contributor might have, or that a maintainer might consider > > formalizing. The current list of maintenance policies is: > > > > Overview: General introduction to maintaining the subsystem > > Core: List of source files considered core > > Leaf: List of source files that consume core functionality > > Patches or Pull requests: Simple statement of expected submission format > > Last -rc for new feature submissions: Expected lead time for submissions > > Last -rc to merge features: Deadline for merge decisions > > Non-author Ack / Review Tags Required: Patch review economics > > Test Suite: Pass this suite before requesting inclusion > > Resubmit Cadence: When to ping the maintainer > > Trusted Reviewers: Help for triaging patches > > Time Zone / Office Hours: When might a maintainer be available > > Checkpatch / Style Cleanups: Policy on pure cleanup patches > > Off-list review: Request for review gates > > TODO: Potential development tasks up for grabs, or active focus areas > > > > The goal of the Subsystem Profile is to set expectations for > > contributors and interim or replacement maintainers for a subsystem. > > First of all, I welcome documentation efforts like this. > > The cover letter mainly focuses on the maintainer aspect, and the > documentation is added to the maintainer handbook. However, here you set > the goal as setting expectations for contributors. The example nvdimm > profile in patch 3/3 addresses the reader as a new maintainer, yet goes > on to set expectations also for contributors, not just the maintainer. > > I do think the documentation for contributors and maintainers/committers > should be kept separate. Most contributors will never care about the > documentation for the latter. We have Documentation/process for > contributors, and I think the audience of Documentation/maintainer > should be strictly maintainers. > > In summary, I do think we need all of the documentation you propose, and > I appreciate you taking this on, but I think this should be split by > audience. I got confused by this at first also Jani. This document is a template for use by maintainers. The files created from the template (by a subsystem maintainer) are for contributors. So I believe this document is in the correct place. Hope this helps to clarify. Tobin