From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 396AE2A09 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 18:16:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from heliosphere.sirena.org.uk (heliosphere.sirena.org.uk [172.104.155.198]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A982AFD for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 18:16:34 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 19:16:28 +0100 From: Mark Brown To: James Bottomley Message-ID: <20181016181628.GK7449@sirena.org.uk> References: <20181016021254.GA21220@thunk.org> <1539702797.2805.19.camel@HansenPartnership.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="KrHCbChajFcK0yQE" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1539702797.2805.19.camel@HansenPartnership.com> Cc: ksummit Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] Draft Maintainer's Summit Agenda and Attendees List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , --KrHCbChajFcK0yQE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 08:13:17AM -0700, James Bottomley wrote: > On Tue, 2018-10-16 at 10:11 +0200, Daniel Vetter wrote: > > And I don't see anyone else from an external community with real > > experience (or someone who does consulting in this area) invited to > > fill that gap either. > I don't buy the narrative that you must be a CoC consultant or > implementor to make a difference. The kernel communities have been > getting better for a while and several people on the invitee list have > had a lot to do with that. For me, one of the most gratifying things On the one hand I would completely agree that it's entirely possible to do a good job of implementing a code of conduct without the involvement of people who are recognized experts in the field. On the other hand codes of conduct are inevitably partly a marketing and confidence effort, we could write the most excellent code of conduct possible on paper but if we can't convince people that we're serious then it's not going to accomplish a huge amount. This is unfortunately particularly an issue for the kernel where we have what one might term reputational challenges to overcome. Having people involved who are widely regarded as experts should help quite a bit with that, at the very least helping us explain what we're doing in a way that makes sense to people. One of the things we could end up doing at the meeting is deferring some of the decision for mailing list or other discussion which would give a space for that to happen. --KrHCbChajFcK0yQE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAABCgAdFiEEreZoqmdXGLWf4p/qJNaLcl1Uh9AFAlvGKvsACgkQJNaLcl1U h9DYXgf/TeqvvXZVwTjfcUQlQcOTKGlGyVx7ehZ0E14oxN8ntzthlTY0grVV4IVm 3+zSZAvQPoefukRnLL01QVxLXiig1neX+F2J0PVRI3s4gykymubG2e3BfnVxMjd1 /rSzEJmOzdhqPbNPsb7jN3VBOe8wwdAOE5Y9xm7ZPkH6DmATq/tT/Eoys3Cng7xs +FGCq7YgSXVaTnk9NB2nwSo1QKcmeBuMeiUkTNHS8pwRndv97rJ2l6VWyQu6JUhR gw8GwCfjieRSQGM63fGXrXLzwWdvL0Ig7soHfcdrAl3FzUo0YOCGQOjdccQGOIfk mABlW5dwuyOwcMdgvLlpLtpk2lnwRg== =4hqJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --KrHCbChajFcK0yQE--