From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E1A64FF9 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2018 09:19:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.suse.de (mx2.suse.de [195.135.220.15]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C085C762 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2018 09:19:54 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 11:19:51 +0200 From: Jan Kara To: Jani Nikula Message-ID: <20180926091951.GB30730@quack2.suse.cz> References: <1537830902.4935.1.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <87k1n8vjef.fsf@intel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87k1n8vjef.fsf@intel.com> Cc: ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, olof@lxom.net, Greg Kroah-Hartman , James Bottomley Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [TECH-TOPIC] Review - Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it. List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On Wed 26-09-18 09:54:00, Jani Nikula wrote: > On Mon, 24 Sep 2018, Joe Perches wrote: > > On Mon, 2018-09-24 at 16:15 -0700, James Bottomley wrote: > >> as a maintainer, I'm happy to try to police > >> civility by calling adverse behaviours out on the list > > > > Good for you, but that's not necessarily something others > > might want to do. Nor should have to. > > I think the only way any code of conduct is ever going to work is > top-down, with maintainers leading by example, both in terms of > following and enforcing the CoC. It's not going to work bottom-up, nor > with everyone always involving the TAB directly. For the most part, it's > just a matter of explicitly asking people to be civil anyway. > > This may well be the biggest reason the "code of conlict" did not > succeed, despite the large number of acks. One thing I'm missing: Did "code of conflict" really fail? I find the areas which I follow (filesystems and surroundings) pretty civil but so they were even before "code of conflict"... So maybe I miss some events? Honza -- Jan Kara SUSE Labs, CR