From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6C413FF0 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2018 18:15:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.tuxdriver.com (charlotte.tuxdriver.com [70.61.120.58]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F351E79F for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2018 18:15:19 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 14:11:39 -0400 From: "John W. Linville" To: James Morris Message-ID: <20180924181138.GA16086@tuxdriver.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Cc: olof@lxom.net, Greg Kroah-Hartman , ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [TECH-TOPIC] Review - Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it. List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 03:51:14AM +1000, James Morris wrote: > On Mon, 24 Sep 2018, Shuah Khan wrote: > > > This decision to change the existing "Code of Conflict" signed off by a large number of developers, > > has been changed and committed with a few people signing off on it. > > > > It would be good to know the circumstances that necessitated the decision to include this patch > > without the proper review process. if that isn't possible, it is important to follow the review > > process now for v2. Also, discussing this in the Maintainer summit and/or kernel summit will not > > make the community feel like it is a community approved decision. At least, kernel community should > > be given a chance to discuss this change just like any other change. > > Not speaking on behalf of my employer, I agree with all of the above. +1 Some number of folks feel (at least indirectly) chided or silenced by the new Code of Conduct. Many of those folks have expressed themselves ineloquently in a variety of venues. Much as one may disagree with some of their expressed sentiments, those expressions of frustration represent the feelings of some number of people in the real world. It seems likely to me that these folks are at least as likely to quit the community over their hurt feelings as have been the victims of Linus or any other grumpy maintainers. If we really care about maximizing the pool of contributors, we need to accomodate even those that aren't particularly comfortable with 'playing nice'. Giving them some say in establishing the rules seems extremely reasonable to me. Just my $0.02... John -- John W. Linville Someday the world will need a hero, and you linville@tuxdriver.com might be all we have. Be ready.