From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7038AFC1 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 17:28:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yb1-f194.google.com (mail-yb1-f194.google.com [209.85.219.194]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D235E79F for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 17:28:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yb1-f194.google.com with SMTP id v10-v6so1167019ybm.8 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 10:28:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 13:28:15 -0400 From: Sean Paul To: Linus Torvalds Message-ID: <20180918172815.GT188300@art_vandelay> References: <20180917115916.37fd5388@coco.lan> <2174637.IVJC5EhCEq@avalon> <20180918160236.GK2471@sirena.org.uk> <20180918163231.GB10134@agluck-desk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Cc: mchehab+samsung@kernel.org, tim.bird@sony.com, ksummit Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINER SUMMIT] community management/subsystem governance List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 10:18:25AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote: > [ Still very much on break, but reading ksuummit-discuss and answering > this one ] > > On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 9:35 AM Dmitry Torokhov > wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 9:33 AM Luck, Tony wrote: > > > > > > Or, shock, horror, tell one-time contributors that it is OK to > > > put the patch in an attachment to the e-mail. Outlook doesn't > > > (usually) mess with the contents of attachments. > > > > And then have maintainer having hard time trying to comment on said > > patch in the attachment. I'd rather not. > > I actually think that *this* could be easily handled by trivial > tooling that doesn't have to be set up over and over again inside > companies or teaching people. > > In fact, doesn't patchwork already do exactly that? > > I have to say, there are real technical advantages to using > attachments for patches, particularly when you have odd combinations > of locales. It's gotten to be less of an issue over time and we're > still almost entirely US-ASCII with the occasional UTF-8, but we do > still have the occasional problem. Using attachments at least detaches > the email charset from the user locale, and from random other MUA > issues. > > But yes, the "comment on individual parts of the patch" part is very > important too. > > The main problem with having something that rewrites things is that it > breaks DKIM etc, so you can't just have a pure email gateway. Worse yet is that the failures are silent. We had DMARC helpfully enabled on chromium.org for 3 weeks and my mail was going to Spam folders without me knowing. Sean > It > almost needs to be something at a higher semantic level like patchwork > (that could still send out rewritten emails). > > In many cases, you might want that anyway (ie wouldn't it be lovely > when the patch is also checked for "does it build" and looks up the > maintainers based on what paths it touches etc etc). > > So a sane email / web-interface kind of gateway that allows people to > work the way they prefer. > > But I guess "trivial" is completely the wrong word to use. > > Linus > _______________________________________________ > Ksummit-discuss mailing list > Ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ksummit-discuss -- Sean Paul, Software Engineer, Google / Chromium OS