From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A8446ED1 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2018 21:56:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.tuxdriver.com (charlotte.tuxdriver.com [70.61.120.58]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2B1C47D5 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2018 21:56:04 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 17:28:06 -0400 From: "John W. Linville" To: Jens Axboe Message-ID: <20180906212806.GC4241@tuxdriver.com> References: <1536263073.6012.3.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <1536267088.6012.7.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <1536268421.6012.9.camel@HansenPartnership.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: Cc: James Bottomley , ksummit Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINER TOPIC] Succession Planning: Is It time to Throw Linus Under a Bus? List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On Thu, Sep 06, 2018 at 03:20:08PM -0600, Jens Axboe wrote: > On 9/6/18 3:13 PM, James Bottomley wrote: > > On Thu, 2018-09-06 at 13:59 -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote: > >> On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 1:51 PM James Bottomley > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> It's happened occasionally, but it's not very traditional.  Usually > >>> when people do a palace coup replacement, the tumbrels are waiting > >>> outside to cart the old dictator off to their sticky end. > >> > >> This has taken a dark turn. > > > > You were the one who mentioned dictators ... I was perfectly happy with > > the bus. > > > >> I do want to point out that I brought the question up last year on > >> the spot. I didn't get any reaction then. I was thinking me not being > >> around would have been more conducive to discussion. But whatever. > > > > OK, so we could still have a plebiscite in Vancouver; we have the room > > and the time still reserved. It could propose a succession plan and > > just present it to you. I admit there's precedent; it's how we did the > > next TAB chair for instance. > > > > However, I really think for an orderly succession plan, you need to be > > part of it rather than having a palace coup which could end up being > > really messy and divisive. I suspect people treated your proposal last > > year as more of a joke last year because they didn't think you were > > serious. If you're really serious about doing this, let's try to come > > up with the succession process in Edinburgh in October and see if we > > can run a Maintainer Summit with the new Leadership in Vancouver in > > November. > > This seems rather hasty to me, I think it would be prudent to establish > a timeline (on both sides?). Unless you are really proposing a coup? FWIW, it took me months to coordinate an orderly withdraw just from the wireless maintainership. If this is a serious discussion, then I don't think it's too early to start planning for the coming changes. Just the thought of finding enough fools to backfill Linus makes me shudder... John -- John W. Linville Someday the world will need a hero, and you linville@tuxdriver.com might be all we have. Be ready.