On Wed, Sep 05, 2018 at 10:17:44AM +0200, Daniel Vetter wrote:

> This was an invitation to exchange experience in how to best deal with
> the fallout - I do actually know that this is not an intel-only issue
> because I chatted with non-Intel people about how they deal with this.

It's definitely not an Intel only problem, I know I worked with this
when I was at a chip vendor and I know there are Linaro members with
various approaches to this.

> And I thought that figuring out how to do better upstream-first is
> very much within the scope of ks/lpc, hence why I suggested Rodrigo
> brings this up as a talk proposal.

I agree that there's a valuable discussion to have.  So long as people
are selling physical chips I don't think we can realistically tell
people that they should just upstream everything immediately without
regard for marketing, lead customer relationships and so on.