From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 11:33:49 +0200 From: Greg KH To: Geert Uytterhoeven Message-ID: <20180905093349.GB1756@kroah.com> References: <5c9c41b2-14f9-41cc-ae85-be9721f37c86@redhat.com> <20180904213340.GD16300@sasha-vm> <20180905081658.GB24902@quack2.suse.cz> <20180905085642.GA29931@kroah.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Cc: ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINER SUMMIT] Stable trees and release time List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On Wed, Sep 05, 2018 at 11:13:01AM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > Hi Greg, > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 10:56 AM Greg KH wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 05, 2018 at 10:32:45AM +0200, Jiri Kosina wrote: > > > But yeah, it's weak and doesn't solve the primary thing, which is just the > > > size of stable itself. > > > > I've held off on responding so far, but I think this is the big point of > > "fear" that many people seem to have with the stable updates over the > > past years. > > > > Yes, the "size" is bigger than before, but that is because of the > > following things: > > [...] > > > So yes, things are "bigger" than before, but still, overall, we are only > > accepting a small percentage of patches that hit Linus's tree (12 > > patches a day for stable vs. 216 a day for Linus). > > > > Are you also worried that Linus's tree is getting "bigger"? :) > > > > So we are larger than before, but this is a good thing, because we are > > actually catching more problems than we were before. Which means your > > older kernels had more bugs... > > > > Anyway, just a comment in that you should not "fear" the increased size, > > it is to be expected as more people pay more attention to Linux, > > combined with the fact that we are still growing. If the stable patches > > were shrinking, then I would get worried as that would imply that people > > don't care anymore. > > So we're slowly evolving to the point where distros/companies/... can just > follow Linus' tree instead, and stable trees are no longer needed, except for > the last released point version (no-one wants to run plain rc1 or rc2) ;-) I would _love_ if if that were to start happening! Seriously, I would... greg "please put me out of a job" k-h