From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DAA1CF8 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2018 07:38:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D2B778B for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2018 07:38:30 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 10:38:26 +0300 From: Leon Romanovsky To: Rodrigo Vivi Message-ID: <20180905073826.GL2977@mtr-leonro.mtl.com> References: <20180905042246.GA2977@mtr-leonro.mtl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="l0l+eSofNeLXHSnY" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Cc: ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Challenges in Upstream vs. Embargoed Development in Intel Graphics. List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , --l0l+eSofNeLXHSnY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Tue, Sep 04, 2018 at 09:49:13PM -0700, Rodrigo Vivi wrote: > On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 9:22 PM Leon Romanovsky wrote: > > > > On Tue, Sep 04, 2018 at 12:54:16PM -0700, Rodrigo Vivi wrote: > > > Hi there, > > > > > > I've submitted a proposal for plumber's referred track. There, I want to > > > talk > > > about tools and challenges we have on embargo development vs upstream one > > > and > > > how to get focus on upstream first and upstream always mentality. > > > > > > The name of plumbers proposal talk is: > > > "Unveiling Intel Graphics Internal Development" > > > > > > I'm not sure if the talk will get accepted, but anyway I'd like to have the > > > chance to talk to other maintainers to exchange views on different ways of > > > maintaining this kind of embargo development including challenges, tools, > > > processes, and rules. > > > > > > So I'm interested in hallway tracks of Maintainer / Kernel Summit, or maybe > > > a > > > bof session if there's interest. > > > > > > Please let me know if there's interested or if further information and/or > > > clarification is needed. > > > > What is "embargo development"? Are you referring to US government > > restrictions or to anything else? > > No. nothing to do with government. > Embargoed by company's temporary restrictions. > > Sorry for not being clear here. > > > > > Also can you please explain why should we know about internal Intel > > development flow? > > First of all I don't believe that we are the only one that need to > keep this kind > of flow and i915 has a very active development and we are strongly > committed with > upstream development. Our golden rules for internal development is > upstream first, upstream always. Good, indeed you are not alone in this attitude. > So, maybe sharing some knowledge and lessons we learned on the past years > might be useful to someone else that might still struggle with closed source > style of development. Honestly, I hardly can see how this topic fits "kernel summit" format, but maybe I'm wrong here. > > Also we have some challenges on keeping everything updated and > ready for upstreaming at any moment. Maybe someone else has better tools > and better procedures than us, but we are just not aware because we > never talked. As the one who was involved in transforming Mellanox from closed-source company to be upstream-driven company, I can assure you that all changes are contained inside the company. They include change of responsibilities, organization restructure, legal, HR and many more. Those changes take a loooooot of time with enormous internal pushback. > > Ultimately there are some essential questions that I'd like to open to community > and ask for feedback and ideas. Some issues and gaps that cannot be solved, or > even come to a consensus on, internally. > > But my hope is that we can keep that on the constructive space. > First you need to raise your questions in this ML, but from the little I saw in this thread, you are struggling with business justification to reduce "embargo". Thanks > Thanks, > Rodrigo. > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > Rodrigo. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ksummit-discuss mailing list > > > Ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org > > > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ksummit-discuss > > > > > -- > Rodrigo Vivi > Blog: http://blog.vivi.eng.br --l0l+eSofNeLXHSnY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJbj4fyAAoJEORje4g2clin9ngQAJqVhRRZ7oYAasHGccz1RSg1 vkZUjXMfCJs+x+wQtSaFQohEU2p+dWSiyrVdRRiCredr7bfG1xzgD0cBSbIVS46f RZGklbY9MSL8tXwHm3wRIZ9gcrbGseI2TvOS6RLktDVSwLOPWRJjKyAtGFo0K9PQ ecdXJ1gM+yCqfFjBQb8NFg78anKyoAZdV26uiHVHVLMoZHyUNFERiV63HiT/G3Y9 6vDIvXxCrr2DLV2oiwKgkgAVT871FRQ1X8lsR62e4Hw+q/G7b6/LzcHLKlcDNw7l 2OVJKWN6I4TOeomOyuP0tEeJ3+yjFrKF+JoF0Krhr9ehKmQrjCkFOjIuT0FAMLxM 4V2xNIOBt6hP6XNVb2k9mqyKCgAtAYASV9hpDQN5mXf9ybgZflR5959hs57NekZD E4heC9QMXWqweGhC1X7Oa5eGfTFxypbTnn1wDy/k9SUV6qIBrIUzohVsjQA8OGud VX/HWcOXSiTpwzvsO4D+nRFkIpj6rqSJmy+QH2+eC0SGt1R77xJFVtf9iEdzPlOK ap6OfyCQJC4fQCwYZeuJYdrF5aiWR0O5SHmuZoajcd0B6l4BW4KhjjD6OKvVZVzs SJAuuJgEpqyHVddGQEBWEA7hvCEPQ3i9CCgMWCt1OR4cW4behc6jP1Wa4LIzTrc3 ydGydXgsCBV3I0e8UyjI =uqlB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --l0l+eSofNeLXHSnY--