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From: Sasha Levin <Alexander.Levin@microsoft.com>
To: Laura Abbott <labbott@redhat.com>
Cc: Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org"
	<ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINER SUMMIT] Stable trees and release time
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 04:53:26 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180905045325.GG16300@sasha-vm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <60ed8d94-c793-9c51-5904-c4fd05bd065f@redhat.com>

On Tue, Sep 04, 2018 at 02:58:42PM -0700, Laura Abbott wrote:
>On 09/04/2018 02:33 PM, Sasha Levin wrote:
>>Why not set your own release schedule and just take the latest stable
>>kernel at that point? So what if the .Z+1 kernel is out a day later? You
>>could just queue it up for your next release.
>>
>
>It's really rough on users to update that frequently. Fedora relies
>on users to give feedback to let us know to push an update and on
>older releases it can be hard to get feedback. We've sometimes had
>issues where multiple stable issues get delayed because they haven't
>gotten enough testing to be pushed. Admittedly that's a Fedora quirk
>but it's still an issue that the short rc and release window is not
>enough for many users to test and give feedback. When stable regressions
>are introduced it's very difficult to guide users to bisect.
>
>>This is exactly what would happen if you ask Greg to go on some sort of
>>a schedule - he'll just defer the .Z+1 commits to what would have been
>>the .Z+2 release, so you don't really win anything by moving to a
>>stricter schedule.
>
>I'd actually be okay with that. I'd rather focus on testing a known
>set of commits and getting those stable before pushing out.

My point is that Fedora can just skip a certain stable release if the
timing is off. If Greg releases .Z+1 but you just started testing .Z
just proceed with .Z and go with .Z+2 for your next release.

The set of commits in .Z and .Z+2 would be exactly the same if Greg is
asked to wait longer between releases.

--
Thanks,
Sasha

  reply	other threads:[~2018-09-05  4:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-09-04 20:58 Laura Abbott
2018-09-04 21:12 ` Jiri Kosina
2018-09-05 14:31   ` Greg KH
2018-09-04 21:22 ` Justin Forbes
2018-09-05 14:42   ` Greg KH
2018-09-05 15:10     ` Mark Brown
2018-09-05 15:10     ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-05 16:19     ` Guenter Roeck
2018-09-05 18:31     ` Laura Abbott
2018-09-05 21:23     ` Justin Forbes
2018-09-06  2:17     ` Eduardo Valentin
2018-09-04 21:33 ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-04 21:55   ` Guenter Roeck
2018-09-04 22:03     ` Laura Abbott
2018-09-04 23:14       ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-04 23:43         ` Guenter Roeck
2018-09-05  1:17           ` Laura Abbott
2018-09-06  3:56             ` Benjamin Gilbert
2018-09-04 21:58   ` Laura Abbott
2018-09-05  4:53     ` Sasha Levin [this message]
2018-09-05  6:48   ` Jiri Kosina
2018-09-05  8:16     ` Jan Kara
2018-09-05  8:32       ` Jiri Kosina
2018-09-05  8:56         ` Greg KH
2018-09-05  9:13           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-09-05  9:33             ` Greg KH
2018-09-05 10:11           ` Mark Brown
2018-09-05 14:44             ` Steven Rostedt
2018-09-05  9:58         ` James Bottomley
2018-09-05 10:47           ` Mark Brown
2018-09-05 12:24             ` James Bottomley
2018-09-05 12:53               ` Jiri Kosina
2018-09-05 13:05                 ` Greg KH
2018-09-05 13:15                   ` Jiri Kosina
2018-09-05 14:00                     ` Greg KH
2018-09-05 14:06                     ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-05 21:02                       ` Jiri Kosina
2018-09-05 16:39                 ` James Bottomley
2018-09-05 17:06                   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2018-09-05 17:33                   ` Steven Rostedt
2018-09-05 13:03               ` Takashi Iwai
2018-09-05 13:27                 ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-05 14:05                   ` Greg KH
2018-09-05 15:54                     ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-05 16:19                       ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-05 16:26                         ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-05 19:09                           ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-05 20:18                             ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-05 20:33                               ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-05 14:20                 ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-05 14:30                   ` Takashi Iwai
2018-09-05 14:41                     ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-05 14:46                       ` Takashi Iwai
2018-09-05 14:54                         ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-05 15:12                           ` Takashi Iwai
2018-09-05 15:19                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-05 15:29                             ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-05 13:16               ` Mark Brown
2018-09-05 14:27                 ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-05 14:50                   ` Mark Brown
2018-09-05 15:00                     ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-05 10:28       ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-05 11:20         ` Jiri Kosina
2018-09-05 14:41           ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-05 15:18             ` Steven Rostedt
2018-09-06  8:48               ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-06 12:47                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-04 21:49 ` Guenter Roeck
2018-09-04 22:06   ` Laura Abbott
2018-09-04 23:35     ` Guenter Roeck
2018-09-05  1:45       ` Laura Abbott
2018-09-05  2:54         ` Guenter Roeck
2018-09-05  8:31           ` Jan Kara
2018-09-05  3:44 ` Eduardo Valentin

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