From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 59C1FB78 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2017 18:26:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mezzanine.sirena.org.uk (mezzanine.sirena.org.uk [106.187.55.193]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DAB693CE for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2017 18:26:42 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 19:26:29 +0100 From: Mark Brown To: Pavel Machek Message-ID: <20170628182629.wyep53pvfkf7kx5s@sirena.org.uk> References: <20170625104850.GA24717@amd> <20170628162502.GA23902@amd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="yq2erdobzqhmdg5f" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20170628162502.GA23902@amd> Cc: "ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org" Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [TECH TOPIC] mobile phones List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , --yq2erdobzqhmdg5f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 06:25:03PM +0200, Pavel Machek wrote: > > The problem I have in general, is that I got this development board > > at DesignWest in 2012, and already the Qualcomm people are sort of > > indicating to me that they consider the product so ancient that it > > is > The problem is called "Qualcomm". Other vendors actually care about > mainline and support their boards longer. (TI). > And yes, that means I'm running hardware from 2009. And yes, TI > probably regrets me getting that hardware :-). It's hardly just Qualcomm here, by and by large it's everyone outside of the general market embedded and verticals that care about long shelf lives. > > the case for Android devices. Having upstream drivers and using the > > kernel ABI as the hardware abstraction is the key to achieving that, > > and it's weird this is so hard for some to see. Google definitely have > > a role to play here. > Well, Android already has ABI abstraction layer, even projects like > Jolla and Ubuntu phone use it, IIRC, basically running Android in > chroot. That's not exactly a stable ABI... --yq2erdobzqhmdg5f Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAABCAAdFiEEreZoqmdXGLWf4p/qJNaLcl1Uh9AFAllT9NQACgkQJNaLcl1U h9AopAf/WXFicwSx3ASf1zj0e/rU7Izwec+Ml+szHBo9tkEyWUu8x2mZNSLO5uJl NN4GV8rm6as9KOE36Jn7l5Oc1UGmVqbbMWzkLW+kBVnh+y9ghkcRb/JF7QE5i2BY qYeiHQvJL8hk1MW9d3oS2yJRmzWki+NWWJ++o59J/AFkhxFtyhK2vT6OHn8gLTfo 1YC5q3LlyNqlIMbIhNEmS8UiIJAxUOqkZXfoIC0XuKKeNtDpepc8OvXGCsTp1zep QfdHr5O0ErZdy0VxND3ujPAKWtaU61+ESr3OqWb/AK925f0eRi60RQehfE1DqoI1 7uVykan/K7Hw3fMl3gAiW+6Twp37tg== =bq2T -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --yq2erdobzqhmdg5f--