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From: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>
To: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>
Cc: "ltsi-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org"
	<ltsi-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>,
	"gregkh@linuxfoundation.org" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [Stable kernel] feature backporting collaboration
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 15:40:17 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160923144017.GX7994@sirena.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160922221451.tdh66pm7awzdzzb5@thunk.org>

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On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 06:14:51PM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote:

> One of the problem for having one-time, special purpose teams for a
> product bringup, and then breaking them up right after product lanuch
> and reassigning them to another product/team is that there is
> absolutely no incentive to pay down technical debt, and all the
> incentive in the world to leave a cr*p job for someone else to clean
> up, especially if they are given unrealistically tight deadlines.

This varies a lot depending on where in the industry the team is - the
small temporary teams are normally not the ones doing the substantial
development but are more usually taking something that's essentially a
finished product and customizing it in some way, for example adapting
for a cost down or doing a reference design copy.  Since they're mostly
inheriting preexisting work there is less to be gained from consistency,
the technical debt is there when the teams start and they're really at
worst just maintaining the status quo.

My experience has been that where there's more substantial development
(eg, on the flagship products) being done companies will usually have a
fairly consistent team though they will also typically be inheriting
substantial technical debt from somewhere (eg, previous generations of
products, or SoC vendors if they're a system integrator).

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-09-23 14:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 122+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-09-01  2:01 Alex Shi
2016-09-02  1:25 ` Levin, Alexander
2016-09-02  2:43   ` Stephen Hemminger
2016-09-02  9:59     ` Mark Brown
2016-09-02  9:54   ` Mark Brown
2016-09-02 10:16     ` [Ksummit-discuss] [LTSI-dev] " Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-09-02 14:42     ` [Ksummit-discuss] " James Bottomley
2016-09-02 14:55       ` Rik van Riel
2016-09-02 15:04         ` James Bottomley
2016-09-02 15:39           ` Rik van Riel
2016-09-02 17:06       ` Bird, Timothy
2016-09-05  1:45         ` NeilBrown
2016-09-05 11:04           ` Mark Brown
2016-09-05 22:44             ` NeilBrown
2016-09-06  0:57               ` Mark Brown
2016-09-06  5:41                 ` NeilBrown
2016-09-08 18:33               ` [Ksummit-discuss] [LTSI-dev] " Bird, Timothy
2016-09-08 22:38                 ` NeilBrown
2016-09-09 11:01                   ` Mark Brown
2016-09-09 22:17                     ` NeilBrown
2016-09-12 17:37                       ` Mark Brown
2016-09-13  7:46                         ` NeilBrown
2016-09-13 17:53                           ` Mark Brown
2016-09-02 18:21       ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Olof Johansson
2016-09-02 23:35         ` Mark Brown
2016-09-03  5:29         ` Guenter Roeck
2016-09-03 10:40           ` Mark Brown
2016-09-04  0:10         ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-09-04  8:34           ` gregkh
2016-09-04 22:58           ` Amit Kucheria
2016-09-04 23:51             ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-09-05 12:58               ` Mark Brown
2016-09-05 11:11             ` Mark Brown
2016-09-05 14:03               ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-09-05 14:22                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-09-06  0:35                   ` Mark Brown
2016-09-06 15:30                     ` James Bottomley
2016-09-06 19:44                       ` gregkh
2016-09-06 22:20                         ` Mark Brown
2016-09-06 22:34                           ` James Bottomley
2016-09-08 18:55                             ` Bird, Timothy
2016-09-08 19:19                               ` gregkh
2016-09-09 10:45                                 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-09 11:03                                   ` gregkh
2016-09-09 11:48                                     ` Mark Brown
2016-09-06 23:23                       ` Mark Brown
2016-09-06 13:34                   ` Catalin Marinas
2016-09-06 16:24                     ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2016-09-06 16:25                     ` Guenter Roeck
2016-09-06 22:39                       ` Mark Brown
2016-09-07  8:33                       ` Jan Kara
2016-09-07  8:41                         ` Jiri Kosina
2016-09-07 18:44                           ` Mark Brown
2016-09-08 17:06                             ` Frank Rowand
2016-09-09 10:32                               ` Mark Brown
2016-09-09 15:21                         ` Alex Shi
2016-09-12 15:34                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-09-06 16:46                     ` Olof Johansson
2016-09-08  8:34                       ` Linus Walleij
2016-09-08  8:55                         ` Vinod Koul
2016-09-09 14:32                           ` Rob Herring
2016-09-09 14:23                         ` Rob Herring
     [not found]                     ` <2181684.5VzIQ6DWv4@amdc1976>
2016-09-07  9:32                       ` Catalin Marinas
2016-09-07 13:07                         ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2016-09-07 18:49                         ` Mark Brown
2016-09-09 15:06                         ` Alex Shi
2016-09-02 23:29       ` Mark Brown
2016-09-02 19:16     ` Levin, Alexander
2016-09-03  0:05       ` Mark Brown
2016-09-05  9:28         ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-09-21  6:58           ` Alex Shi
2016-09-21  9:23             ` gregkh
2016-09-21 14:52               ` Alex Shi
2016-09-21 15:28                 ` gregkh
2016-09-21 18:50                   ` Mark Brown
2016-09-22  3:15                   ` Alex Shi
2016-09-21 18:22               ` Mark Brown
2016-09-21 18:54                 ` Linus Walleij
2016-09-21 19:52                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-09-22  0:43                   ` Mark Brown
2016-09-22  5:20                 ` gregkh
2016-09-22 12:56                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-09-22 16:22                   ` Mark Brown
2016-09-22 22:14                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-09-23 12:28                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-09-23 13:27                         ` [Ksummit-discuss] [LTSI-dev] " Alex Shi
2016-09-23 13:40                           ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-09-23 14:40                       ` Mark Brown [this message]
2016-09-21 13:56             ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Theodore Ts'o
2016-09-21 15:23               ` Alex Shi
2016-09-21 15:33                 ` gregkh
2016-09-21 19:16                   ` Mark Brown
2016-09-02 13:47 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-09-02 19:31   ` Levin, Alexander
2016-09-02 19:42     ` gregkh
2016-09-02 20:06       ` Levin, Alexander
2016-09-03  2:04   ` Mark Brown
2016-09-06  7:20   ` [Ksummit-discuss] [LTSI-dev] " Tsugikazu Shibata
2016-09-10 12:00     ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-09-12 16:27       ` Mark Brown
2016-09-12 17:14         ` Greg KH
2016-09-12 23:45           ` Mark Brown
2016-09-13  3:14             ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-09-13 10:14               ` Mark Brown
2016-09-13 13:19               ` Levin, Alexander
2016-09-13  6:19             ` Greg KH
2016-09-13 10:38               ` Mark Brown
2016-09-13 12:09                 ` Greg KH
2016-09-13 12:20                   ` Josh Boyer
2016-09-13 13:12                     ` Greg KH
2016-09-13 16:23                       ` Bird, Timothy
2016-09-13 19:02                       ` Mark Brown
2016-09-14 14:47                       ` Alex Shi
2016-09-20  5:15                       ` Tsugikazu Shibata
2016-09-21  8:46                         ` Alex Shi
2016-09-13 12:25                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-09-13 19:21                   ` Mark Brown
2016-09-14  1:49                     ` Greg KH
2016-09-14  3:00                       ` Guenter Roeck
2016-09-12  4:12     ` Alex Shi
2016-09-12 16:09       ` Masami Hiramatsu
2016-09-13  2:39         ` Alex Shi

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