On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 03:56:28PM +0300, Laurent Pinchart wrote: > On Wednesday 21 Sep 2016 19:22:04 Mark Brown wrote: > > When I talk to people about this I tend to talk about doing upstream > > simultaneously rather than first, that is a lot more tractable. > That's the strategy we used at Nokia when developing the N900 and N9. It was > quite painful though, it was largely believed among the developers that having > separate upstream and product teams would have been better. Yeah, this is partly a preference thing and also a size thing - if the organization is too small it's not really sustainable to have dedicated team, and if you do split them then there's a big risk that information will stop flowing effectively between the two teams which defeats a lot of the point.