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From: Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>
Cc: ksummit-discuss@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Joe Perches <joe@perches.com>,
	ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] checkpatch/Codingstyle and trivial patch spam
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 19:03:32 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160914020332.GA9558@cloud> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4691924.fimvUkKjuv@vostro.rjw.lan>

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 01:49:13AM +0200, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 02:03:22 PM Jonathan Corbet wrote:
> > On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 12:45:20 -0700
> > Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 08:58:49PM +0200, Christian Borntraeger wrote:
> > > > 3. CodingStyle seems to get changes which have no ACK or Reviewed-by that seem
> > > > to be controversial.  e.g.
> > > > https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/next/linux-next.git/commit/Documentation/CodingStyle?id=865a1caa4b6b886babdd9d67e7c3608be4567a51
> > > > suggested to indent labels with a space, and was then immediately followed by
> > > > patches. Is there a process in place to verify and challenge such changes?  
> > > 
> > > Ideally, that should come up during review of the CodingStyle patch.
> > > Changes shouldn't go into CodingStyle except to document existing
> > > process and unwritten rules, or to document the results of a discussion
> > > and consensus.  That particular change to CodingStyle should have been
> > > rejected, and should be reverted.
> > 
> > So I'm quite reluctant to take CodingStyle patches for just this reason;
> > *I* certainly don't want to be the one dictating style for the kernel, but
> > I'm not really sure who does.  In my time as the docs maintainer I've only
> > applied two patches there that constitute any sort of rule change - this
> > one and a78a136fa9337fdc25fdbaa2d253f9b4dc90ad44.  
> > 
> > In general, I would welcome advice on how any future rule-change patches
> > should be reviewed.
> 
> I agree with Josh that CodingStyle should reflect the existing practice
> (present in the majority of the kernel source) or a broad consensus.
> 
> While the "existing practice" case is relatively simple (it boils down to
> demonstrating that the given rule is in fact followed in practice in the
> majority of the kernel source), the "broad consensus" one is not as
> straightforward.  It looks like a Kernel Summit discussion or equivalent
> would be required each time to be honest ...

I suspect a mailing list discussion might suffice, if enough people
weigh in with feedback.

> In any case, it might be good to state somewhere that CodingStyle is a
> guidance for new code and not a prescription for how all of the kernel code
> must look like.

Yes, the preface of the document should explicitly mention this.  "Do
not mass-reformat existing code, even if it doesn't follow these
guidelines; doing so creates noise in version control history and makes
patches fail to apply."

  reply	other threads:[~2016-09-14  2:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-09-13 18:58 Christian Borntraeger
2016-09-13 19:18 ` Joe Perches
2016-09-13 19:45 ` Josh Triplett
2016-09-13 20:03   ` Jonathan Corbet
2016-09-13 22:14     ` Joe Perches
2016-09-14  5:29       ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-13 23:49     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-09-14  2:03       ` Josh Triplett [this message]
2016-09-14  2:24         ` Joe Perches
2016-09-14  5:57           ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-14  6:27             ` Joe Perches
2016-09-14  6:35               ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-14  6:43                 ` Joe Perches
2016-09-14 17:11               ` Alexandre Belloni
2016-09-15 16:33                 ` Jonathan Cameron
2016-09-14 11:54           ` Greg KH
2016-09-14 14:23             ` Joe Perches
2016-09-14 14:32               ` Greg KH
2016-09-14 14:35                 ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-14 14:39                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-09-14 19:26                     ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-14 14:51                   ` Joe Perches
2016-09-14 19:30                     ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-14 14:51                 ` Joe Perches
2016-09-14 14:45               ` Guenter Roeck
2016-09-14 15:13                 ` Joe Perches
2016-09-14 19:46                   ` Guenter Roeck
2016-09-14 18:04       ` Eric W. Biederman

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