On Wed, Sep 07, 2016 at 10:41:08AM +0200, Jiri Kosina wrote:

> consumer space in this area. Consumer space folks seem to be in a 
> situation that server space people have been in 2.0 / 2.2 era, where we 
> had exactly the same problem with server hardware (i.e lack of timely 
> focus on upstream in the process).

As people keep saying that's not really entirely it - the timescales on
consumer hardware are *much* tighter than those on server hardware which
does make a big difference to what you can do here.  

> Also, it feels like consumer HW is more in a "fire and forget" mode of 
> operation, while server hardware usually sticks around for a rather long 
> time.

This is part of it.  There *is* a long tail lifespan for a lot of
consumer hardware but it is in the lower tier vendors and products who
are for the most part reusing earlier work and we do see a lot of IP
reuse though.