On Tue, Sep 06, 2016 at 11:30:31AM -0400, James Bottomley wrote:
> On Tue, 2016-09-06 at 01:35 +0100, Mark Brown wrote:

> > You're preaching to the converted here but just telling everyone over
> > and over again that they're doing a terrible job isn't helping 
> > anything. It's not offering any sort of constructive suggestion for 
> > how to improve the situation that engages with the reality on the
> > ground.

> OK, so how do we move forwards?  Everyone who remembers the 2.4->2.6
> transition is convinced of upstream first because it was impossible to
> forward port the patch sets.

> So there's probably a couple of things we could do about this

>    1. Nothing.  Say it's working about as well as can be expected for
>       embedded and stop worrying.

I think I'd put it more as saying that there are relatively few special
snowflake things that we can do upstream to help here - most of the
things I can think of that are useful are just generally useful for
everyone rather than embedded specific.