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From: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Jeremy Allison <jra@samba.org>
Cc: "Bradley M. Kuhn" <bkuhn@sfconservancy.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] GPL defense issues
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 00:47:20 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160828044720.qlufilo6w7iupgrt@thunk.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160827233521.GC6717@jeremy-acer>

On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 04:35:21PM -0700, Jeremy Allison via Ksummit-discuss wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 04:13:25PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > 
> > Quite frankly, after having watched a few videos of Bradley talking
> > about what he does and _why_ he does it, I really would never want to
> > have him or the SFC represent Linux in court. Ever. Not unless they
> > make it very clear that their agenda has changed.
> 
> So the thing I think you're missing here, is your own agument
> about enlightened "self interest".
> 
> Yes, Bradley and Conservancy have an agenda. They represent
> us (Samba) when that agenda and self interest *align with
> ours*. When they don't, nothing happens (remember they only
> act on our behalf).
> 
> It's just like development - they want one legal thing, you
> want another. Only when the two align do you work together.

Jeremy --- suppose there was a single person who had contributed to
Samba, and he had a different opinion from the rest of the Samba team,
and he went to the Conservancy on his own, and he and the Conservancy
decided to take legal action on that one person's behalf (since it
helped pursue the Conservancy's agenda, even if it didn't advance
Samba's interests) --- and so it was something that you and the rest
of the Samba developers didn't think was in the best interest of the
Project.  In fact, what if that legal action was something that
disrupted a relationship with a company that you considered extremely
strategic?

What would happen then?  (Assume you weren't on the board, so you
wouldn't be able to put the kibosh on it that way.)  Perhaps more
importantly, would you think that was morally a sound thing to do?

It's the fact that the Conservancy feels that it can cherry pick
developers, and act even on matters where Linus has expressed a clear
preference that it is *not* in the best interst of Linux, is why I
think the term "rogue agent" very much applies.

						- Ted

  reply	other threads:[~2016-08-28  4:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 173+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-08-26 19:33 Jeremy Allison
2016-08-26 21:19 ` David Woodhouse
2016-08-26 21:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-26 22:42   ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-26 23:02     ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-26 23:58       ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-27  0:19         ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-27  1:30           ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-27  7:00           ` David Woodhouse
2016-08-26 23:54   ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-27 16:26     ` Greg KH
2016-08-27 21:18       ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-28  1:43         ` James Bottomley
2016-08-28  2:02           ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-28  3:10             ` James Bottomley
2016-08-28  4:42               ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-28 20:51                 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-28  4:24           ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-28 12:55             ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-28 14:06               ` David Woodhouse
2016-08-29  6:26                 ` Greg KH
2016-08-29 11:10                   ` Harald Welte
2016-08-30 17:38                   ` Mark Brown
2016-08-30 18:04                     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-30 18:36                       ` Josh Triplett
2016-08-28 15:43               ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-28 19:36                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-28 20:36                   ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-29 15:35                     ` Steven Rostedt
2016-08-29 15:51                       ` Jiri Kosina
2016-08-29 19:45                         ` Karen Sandler
2016-08-29 16:26                     ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-30 17:13                     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-28 16:26               ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-28 19:58                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-28 22:54                   ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-29  9:01                     ` Harald Welte
2016-08-30 16:15               ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-30 16:45                 ` Greg KH
2016-08-30 17:20                   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-30 18:15                     ` Greg KH
2016-08-30 19:17                       ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-31  2:58                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-31 18:51                           ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-31  8:37                         ` Greg KH
2016-08-31 18:53                           ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-30 23:19                       ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-30 17:49                   ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-30 18:17                     ` Greg KH
2016-08-30 18:28                       ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-30 17:10                 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-30 17:16                   ` Luck, Tony
2016-08-30 17:40                     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-30 17:37                   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-28 15:37             ` James Bottomley
2016-08-28  5:09           ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-27 23:02       ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-27 23:13         ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-27 23:29           ` Jeremy Allison
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2016-08-27 23:30               ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-27 23:49                 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-28  0:02                   ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-28  0:16                     ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-29 16:57                       ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-27 23:35           ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-28  4:47             ` Theodore Ts'o [this message]
2016-08-28  5:17               ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-28  5:38               ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-28  2:58         ` Steven Rostedt
2016-08-28  4:34           ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-28  8:04             ` Greg KH
2016-08-28 15:58               ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-28  3:18         ` James Bottomley
2016-08-28  4:40           ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-28  6:25             ` David Woodhouse
2016-08-29 11:24       ` Maxime Ripard
2016-08-29 11:50         ` Greg KH
2016-08-30  9:57           ` Maxime Ripard
2016-08-30 15:33             ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-08-30 16:04               ` Guenter Roeck
2016-08-30 19:44                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-08-31  8:24                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-08-31  9:28                   ` Maxime Ripard
2016-08-30 16:55               ` Mark Brown
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2016-08-26  2:46 Linus Torvalds
2016-08-26  3:07 ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-26  4:25   ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-26  4:48     ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-26  5:24       ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-26  5:35         ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-26 15:28         ` Rik van Riel
2016-08-26 16:34           ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-26 16:48             ` Rik van Riel
2016-08-26 17:21               ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-26 17:49                 ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-26 19:03                   ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-26 19:29                     ` Rik van Riel
2016-08-26 19:45                     ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-26 19:53                       ` James Bottomley
2016-08-26 19:55                         ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-26 19:58                           ` James Bottomley
2016-08-26 21:41                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-26 23:04                           ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-26 23:34                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-27  0:03                               ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-27  4:00                           ` Josh Triplett
2016-08-26 19:59                       ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-26 16:52             ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-26 19:36             ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-26 20:09               ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-26 15:23 ` Karen Sandler
2016-08-26 16:37   ` James Bottomley
2016-08-26 17:19     ` Karen Sandler
2016-08-27 15:43       ` Greg KH
2016-08-27 17:14         ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-27 18:47           ` Julia Lawall
2016-08-27 18:35 ` Wolfram Sang
2016-08-27 22:50   ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-28  7:47   ` Greg KH
2016-08-28  9:54     ` David Woodhouse
2016-08-29 17:42     ` Rik van Riel
2016-08-29 18:49       ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-29 19:04         ` James Bottomley
2016-08-30 18:00           ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-30 18:25             ` James Bottomley
2016-08-30 19:31               ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-29 20:19         ` Wolfram Sang
2016-08-29 21:31       ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-29 21:52         ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-29 21:59         ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-29 23:05           ` Guenter Roeck
2016-08-30  4:32           ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-24  5:30 Karen Sandler
2016-08-24 13:08 ` Greg KH
2016-08-24 14:25   ` Karen Sandler
2016-08-24 14:39     ` Josh Triplett
2016-08-24 15:21       ` Mark Brown
2016-08-24 16:54       ` Randy Dunlap
2016-08-24 17:39       ` Greg KH
2016-08-24 17:54         ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-24 18:30         ` Wolfram Sang
2016-08-24 19:57           ` Greg KH
2016-08-24 20:19             ` James Bottomley
2016-08-24 21:13             ` Karen Sandler
2016-08-24 22:01               ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-24 17:38     ` Greg KH
2016-08-24 14:38   ` Daniel Vetter
2016-08-24 14:44     ` Josh Triplett
2016-08-24 15:29   ` David Woodhouse
2016-08-24 17:47     ` Greg KH
2016-08-24 18:24       ` James Bottomley
2016-08-24 20:41         ` Greg KH
2016-08-24 21:09           ` Jiri Kosina
2016-08-24 21:21             ` James Bottomley
2016-08-24 21:33               ` Jiri Kosina
2016-08-24 21:42                 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-24 21:46                   ` Jiri Kosina
2016-08-25 16:27               ` Rik van Riel
2016-08-24 20:50       ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-24 21:54         ` Greg KH
2016-08-25  4:06           ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-25  6:37             ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-25  7:03               ` Josh Triplett
2016-08-25 20:03                 ` Dave Airlie
2016-08-25 20:20                   ` James Bottomley
2016-08-25 20:28                     ` Dave Airlie
2016-08-26  0:59             ` Greg KH
2016-08-26  2:30               ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-26 16:34                 ` Luck, Tony
2016-08-26 11:49               ` James Bottomley
2016-08-28  7:48                 ` Wolfram Sang
2016-08-26 12:03             ` James Bottomley
2016-08-26 12:33               ` Christoph Hellwig

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