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From: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
Cc: Trond Myklebust <trondmy@primarydata.com>,
	ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] stable workflow
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 18:01:26 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160804170126.GC10383@sirena.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1470326213.2411.26.camel@HansenPartnership.com>

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On Thu, Aug 04, 2016 at 08:56:53AM -0700, James Bottomley wrote:

> What I'm pointing out is that Fixes: has uses that go way beyond
> stable.  That's why I do think it's good practice for the kernel.  It's
> something we should already be doing that can assist the stable
> process, not something that's just been invented for the purpose.

Right, I'm not saying it's not good practice just that I don't think
insisting on it as a matter of pure process and bookeeping is the best
way forwards - if people are providing it because it's good practice and
they've done the analysis against upstream that's great but if someone
is filling it in because they've got to check that box on the form I'm
less convinced.  I'm not sure that the degredation in the quality of
information that gets recorded (I'm pretty sure I at least don't have
the capacity to actively verify every Fixes tag), or cases where fixes
don't end up in stable because the submitter doesn't care about that,
are going to be worth it.

I've had some bad experiences with some similar reporting requirements
in the past - if people aren't actively engaged and supportive they end
up working around rather than with the process which can make it harder
to use the information later on.  Perhaps I'm overreacting to those but
I'd much rather see this promoted as good practice than a stick to beat
people with.

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  reply	other threads:[~2016-08-04 17:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 259+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-07-08 22:35 Jiri Kosina
2016-07-08 23:12 ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-08 23:38   ` Luck, Tony
2016-07-09  8:34     ` Jiri Kosina
2016-07-09  8:58       ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-09  9:29       ` Johannes Berg
2016-07-09 15:19         ` Jason Cooper
2016-07-09 16:04           ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-09 19:15         ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-08-01  9:32           ` Johannes Berg
2016-08-01 11:10             ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-07-09 18:39       ` Andrew Lunn
2016-07-10  1:22       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-07-08 23:52   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-07-09  0:06     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2016-07-09  8:37       ` Jiri Kosina
2016-07-09  9:12         ` Mark Brown
2016-07-09  0:10   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2016-07-09  0:37     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-07-09  0:43       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2016-07-09  1:53         ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-09 10:05         ` James Bottomley
2016-07-09 15:49           ` Trond Myklebust
2016-07-09 22:41             ` Dan Williams
2016-07-10  1:34             ` James Bottomley
2016-07-10  1:43               ` Trond Myklebust
2016-07-10  1:56                 ` James Bottomley
2016-07-10  2:12                   ` Trond Myklebust
2016-07-10  2:15                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-07-10  3:00                     ` James Bottomley
2016-07-10  3:07                       ` Trond Myklebust
2016-07-26 13:35                       ` David Woodhouse
2016-07-26 13:44                         ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-26 14:33                           ` David Woodhouse
2016-07-26 15:52                             ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-28 21:02                             ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-07-29  0:10                               ` Steven Rostedt
2016-07-29  8:59                                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-07-29 14:28                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2016-08-01 13:53                                     ` Shuah Khan
2016-08-03  4:47                                       ` Bird, Timothy
2016-07-29 15:12                                   ` Mark Brown
2016-07-29 15:20                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2016-07-29 15:50                                       ` Mark Brown
2016-07-29 16:06                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2016-07-29 16:48                                           ` Mark Brown
2016-07-29 17:02                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2016-07-29 21:07                                               ` Alexandre Belloni
2016-07-29 21:40                                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2016-08-01 13:41                                                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-07-30 16:19                                               ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-01 13:35                                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-08-01 14:24                                       ` Mark Brown
2016-08-02 14:12                       ` Jani Nikula
2016-08-02 15:34                         ` Mark Brown
2016-08-02 23:17                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-08-03  9:36                             ` Jani Nikula
2016-08-03 11:09                               ` Greg KH
2016-08-03 13:05                                 ` Jani Nikula
2016-08-03 13:26                                   ` Greg KH
2016-08-03 13:48                                     ` Jiri Kosina
2016-08-03 13:57                                       ` James Bottomley
2016-08-03 13:59                                         ` Jiri Kosina
2016-08-03 14:04                                           ` James Bottomley
2016-08-03 14:10                                             ` Jiri Kosina
2016-08-04  1:23                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2016-08-04  8:20                                               ` Greg KH
2016-08-04 13:33                                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2016-08-04 15:32                                                   ` Takashi Iwai
2016-08-04 15:40                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2016-08-04 15:47                                                     ` Jiri Kosina
2016-08-04 16:18                                                       ` Takashi Iwai
2016-08-04 16:26                                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2016-08-04 15:44                                                   ` Mark Brown
2016-08-04 15:56                                                     ` James Bottomley
2016-08-04 17:01                                                       ` Mark Brown [this message]
2016-08-04 17:11                                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2016-08-04 17:53                                                           ` Mark Brown
2016-08-05  8:16                                                           ` Jani Nikula
2016-08-04 16:14                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2016-08-04 17:51                                                       ` Mark Brown
2016-08-04 18:16                                                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-08-04 18:44                                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2016-08-04 18:48                                                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-08-04 19:06                                                             ` Mark Brown
2016-08-04 18:52                                                           ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-08-04 19:30                                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2016-08-03 14:45                                         ` Mark Brown
2016-08-04 13:48                                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-08-03 14:19                                       ` Greg KH
2016-08-03 14:45                                         ` Jiri Kosina
2016-08-03 15:48                                           ` Guenter Roeck
2016-08-03 16:12                                             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2016-08-03 16:44                                               ` Guenter Roeck
2016-08-03 17:20                                                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2016-08-03 18:21                                                   ` Guenter Roeck
2016-08-03 18:59                                                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2016-08-03 21:25                                                       ` Jiri Kosina
2016-08-03 21:31                                                         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2016-08-03 21:36                                                           ` Jiri Kosina
2016-08-04  3:06                                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2016-08-03 22:25                                                           ` Guenter Roeck
2016-08-04 14:02                                                         ` Jan Kara
2016-08-03 18:57                                                 ` Jiri Kosina
2016-08-03 22:16                                                   ` Guenter Roeck
2016-08-04  3:14                                               ` Steven Rostedt
2016-08-04  3:32                                                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2016-08-04  4:05                                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2016-08-04  8:27                                               ` Greg KH
2016-08-04  8:21                                             ` Greg KH
2016-08-05  4:46                                             ` Jonathan Cameron
2016-08-03 14:12                                     ` Jani Nikula
2016-08-03 14:33                                       ` Daniel Vetter
2016-08-03 13:20                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-08-03 13:21                                   ` Jiri Kosina
2016-08-04  1:05                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-08-03 13:39                                   ` Greg KH
2016-08-03 14:10                                     ` Chris Mason
2016-08-04  0:37                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-08-03 15:47                                 ` Guenter Roeck
2016-08-04  8:25                                   ` Greg KH
2016-08-03 11:12                               ` Mark Brown
2016-07-10  2:27                   ` Dan Williams
2016-07-10  6:10                     ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-11  4:03                     ` [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] kernel unit testing Trond Myklebust
2016-07-11  4:22                       ` James Bottomley
2016-07-11  4:30                         ` Trond Myklebust
2016-07-11  5:23                       ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-11  8:56                         ` Hannes Reinecke
2016-07-11 16:20                         ` Mark Brown
2016-07-11 19:58                       ` Dan Williams
2016-07-12  9:35                         ` Jan Kara
2016-07-13  4:56                           ` Dan Williams
2016-07-13  9:04                             ` Jan Kara
2016-07-11 20:24                       ` Kevin Hilman
2016-07-11 23:03                         ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-18  7:44                           ` Christian Borntraeger
2016-07-18  8:44                             ` Hannes Reinecke
2016-07-28 21:09                         ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-07-28 21:33                           ` Bird, Timothy
2016-08-02 18:42                           ` Kevin Hilman
2016-08-02 19:44                             ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-08-02 20:33                               ` Mark Brown
2016-07-13  4:48                       ` Alex Shi
2016-07-13  9:07                         ` Greg KH
2016-07-13 12:37                           ` Alex Shi
2016-07-13 19:59                             ` Olof Johansson
2016-07-13 22:23                               ` Alex Shi
2016-07-14  1:19                             ` Greg KH
2016-07-14  9:48                               ` Alex Shi
2016-07-14  9:54                                 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2016-07-14 14:13                                   ` Alex Shi
2016-07-13 14:34                           ` Mark Brown
2016-07-14  3:17                             ` Greg KH
2016-07-14 10:06                               ` Mark Brown
2016-07-15  0:22                                 ` Greg KH
2016-07-15  0:51                                   ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-15  1:41                                     ` Greg KH
2016-07-15  2:56                                       ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-15  4:29                                         ` Greg KH
2016-07-15  5:52                                           ` NeilBrown
2016-07-15  6:14                                             ` Greg KH
2016-07-15  7:02                                               ` Jiri Kosina
2016-07-15 11:42                                                 ` Greg KH
2016-07-15 11:47                                                   ` Jiri Kosina
2016-07-15 12:17                                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-07-15  6:19                                             ` Rik van Riel
2016-07-15 12:17                                               ` Mark Brown
2016-07-26 13:45                                                 ` David Woodhouse
2016-07-15  6:32                                             ` James Bottomley
2016-07-15  7:01                                               ` NeilBrown
2016-07-15  7:28                                                 ` James Bottomley
2016-07-15  7:36                                                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2016-07-15  9:29                                                   ` NeilBrown
2016-07-15 16:08                                                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2016-07-15 11:05                                               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-07-15 12:35                                                 ` James Bottomley
2016-07-15 12:44                                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-07-15 11:24                                             ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-07-28 22:07                                               ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-07-21  7:13                                           ` Daniel Vetter
2016-07-21  7:44                                             ` Josh Triplett
2016-07-15 11:10                                     ` Mark Brown
2016-07-15 11:40                                       ` Greg KH
2016-07-15 12:38                                         ` Mark Brown
2016-07-10  2:07                 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] stable workflow Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-07-10  6:19               ` Olof Johansson
2016-07-10 14:42                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-07-11  1:18                   ` Olof Johansson
2016-07-10  7:29           ` Takashi Iwai
2016-07-10 10:20             ` Jiri Kosina
2016-07-10 13:33               ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-15  9:27                 ` Zefan Li
2016-07-15 13:52                   ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-26 13:08           ` David Woodhouse
2016-07-10  7:37     ` Takashi Iwai
2016-07-09  0:06 ` Jason Cooper
2016-07-09  0:42   ` James Bottomley
2016-07-09  8:43     ` Jiri Kosina
2016-07-09  9:36       ` Mark Brown
2016-07-09 15:13         ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-09 19:40           ` Sudip Mukherjee
2016-07-11  8:14             ` Jiri Kosina
2016-07-09 21:21           ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-07-11 15:13             ` Mark Brown
2016-07-11 17:03               ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-07-11 17:07                 ` Justin Forbes
2016-07-11 17:11                 ` Mark Brown
2016-07-11 17:13                   ` Olof Johansson
2016-07-11 17:17                     ` Mark Brown
2016-07-11 17:24                       ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-11 17:44                         ` Mark Brown
2016-07-13  1:08                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-07-11 17:15                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2016-07-11 17:20                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-07-11 17:26                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2016-07-11 17:27                     ` Olof Johansson
2016-07-11 23:13                   ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-11 17:17                 ` Josh Boyer
2016-07-11 22:42                 ` James Bottomley
2016-07-20 17:50                 ` Stephen Hemminger
2016-07-11  8:18           ` Jiri Kosina
2016-07-11 23:32             ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-11 14:22           ` Mark Brown
2016-07-10 16:22         ` Vinod Koul
2016-07-10 17:01           ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-07-10 18:28             ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-10 22:38               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-07-11  8:47                 ` Jiri Kosina
2016-07-27  3:19                 ` Steven Rostedt
2016-07-10 22:39               ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-07-11  1:12                 ` Olof Johansson
2016-07-11  5:00             ` Vinod Koul
2016-07-11  5:13               ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-07-11 10:57                 ` Luis de Bethencourt
2016-07-11 14:18                 ` Vinod Koul
2016-07-11 17:34                   ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-27  3:12                   ` Steven Rostedt
2016-07-27  4:36                     ` Vinod Koul
2016-07-09 14:57     ` Jason Cooper
2016-07-09 22:51       ` Jonathan Corbet
2016-07-10  7:21 ` Takashi Iwai
2016-07-11  7:44 ` Christian Borntraeger
2016-08-02 13:49 ` Jani Nikula
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2014-05-02 19:42 Jiri Kosina
2014-05-02 19:43 ` Josh Boyer
2014-05-02 20:09 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-02 20:12   ` Jiri Kosina
2014-05-02 20:22     ` Josh Boyer
2014-05-02 20:27     ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-02 20:30       ` Jiri Kosina
2014-05-03 15:20       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-05-03 15:40       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-05-02 22:16     ` Jan Kara
2014-05-02 20:33 ` Ben Hutchings
2014-05-02 20:51 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-05-02 20:57 ` Mark Brown
2014-05-02 23:35   ` Guenter Roeck
2014-05-03 15:22 ` Greg KH

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