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From: Jason Cooper <jason@lakedaemon.net>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
	Mark Brown <broonie@sirena.org.uk>,
	"ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org"
	<ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] Last minute nominations: mcgrof and toshi
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 12:20:05 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160802122005.GI4541@io.lakedaemon.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrVbUYQWCqrJ8E3TwhJqSs_he0qqW=TySy5yFo=pKsVAJA@mail.gmail.com>

Morning Andy,

On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 04:45:20PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On Aug 1, 2016 4:30 PM, "Jason Cooper" <jason@lakedaemon.net> wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 04:13:50PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> > > On Aug 1, 2016 4:04 PM, "Jason Cooper" <jason@lakedaemon.net> wrote:
...
> > > > Assuming Andy's lightweight signature scheme, it would probably be best
> > > > to do a lookup based on the sha256 hash of the file.  Then pathnames
> > > > don't matter, and bad files don't even get to the signature checking
> > > > code.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I'm not sure I understand what you mean.  What table would we look the hash
> > > up in?  What are we finding in that table?
> >
> > From the other subthread:
> >
> > > Then, to verify a signature, the kernel hashes the blob, generates its
> > > own linux_blob_signed_data, memcmps it to the one that Kyle signed
> > > (and rejects if they differ *at all*), and then verifies the
> > > signature.  (Do not try to be clever and parse the supplied
> > > linux_blob_signed_data -- there is a long and storied history of
> > > equivalent ideas being implemented incorrectly, and I can dig out
> > > literature references if you really want.  Just generate your own and
> > > memcmp it, which leaves no room for ambiguity.)
> > >
> >
> > So, I'm suggesting that when "the kernel hashes the blob", it use that
> > hash to locate *which* "Kyle-signed" linux_blob_signed_data it needs to
> > compare against.  That's all, just removing the filename from the
> > equation. :-)
> 
> So Kyle would generate a list of signatures indexed by the blob's hash
> instead of generating things like "iwlwifi-whatever.ucode.sig"?  Seems
> okay.  It'll keep the existing hooks working, I think.  Of course, we still
> need to check the "iwlwifi-whatever.ucode" bit to confirm that it matches
> Kyle's signed data.

Right.  That's where it may be better to use a version string, say the
sha1 from linux-firmware.git, or the upstream version number.  However,
that route means we can't easily 'build our own linux_blob_signed_data
and do a memcmp.' since userspace may not have that info handy.

It's almost as if we need some *unsigned* attributes that are purely
informative.  So we can dump a message in the logs:

  Loaded /lib/firmware/intel/iwlwifi-whatever.ucode., signature match for 'iwlwifi-20160711.ucode', signed by "Intel, Corp" RSA4096 key with
keyid <sha256>.

The first path is the actual location and name of the file, and the
second is the filename attribute that is a hint, but we don't depend on
it for matching or verification.

thx,

Jason.

  reply	other threads:[~2016-08-02 12:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-08-04 15:26 Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-08-04 22:20 ` Toshi Kani
2016-07-15 19:50 ` Mimi Zohar
2016-07-15 19:57   ` Mimi Zohar
2016-07-16  0:52     ` Mark Brown
2016-07-26 14:42       ` David Woodhouse
2016-07-27 14:04         ` [Ksummit-discuss] [TECH TOPIC] Signature management - keys, modules, firmware, was: " Jason Cooper
2016-07-27 14:58           ` Mark Rutland
2016-07-27 18:17           ` Stephen Hemminger
2016-07-27 18:36             ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-29 12:29           ` Ben Hutchings
2016-08-05 17:16             ` Mimi Zohar
2016-08-05 18:24               ` Ben Hutchings
2016-08-02 12:54           ` Linus Walleij
2016-08-02 14:00             ` Jason Cooper
2016-08-02 14:09               ` David Woodhouse
     [not found]               ` <CALCETrUjn7TeGbS4TQ+OFih-nby2Rh54i5177MOwqjTYDBMO=A@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                 ` <CALCETrU6aQ5PR_+M7QHkTWos6i6vVS2nvEQDwr5ktBkWu-5MKw@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                   ` <CALCETrW8uRK4cuQ+B6NPcO0pY-=-HRDf4LZk4xv2QdPzNEvMCg@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                     ` <CALCETrW_mQLmR6g_Ar8Nnpr7CRFZhth=Hj9C901Gj7_WSp=yEQ@mail.gmail.com>
2016-08-02 14:53                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-02 14:13             ` James Bottomley
2016-08-03  9:47               ` Linus Walleij
2016-08-03 10:00                 ` Jiri Kosina
2016-08-03 10:28                 ` Jani Nikula
2016-08-03 10:41                   ` Linus Walleij
2016-08-03 11:18                     ` Jani Nikula
2016-08-03 15:19                     ` Jason Cooper
2016-08-12 12:38                 ` Vinod Koul
2016-08-12 12:39                   ` David Woodhouse
2016-08-12 12:54                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-12 13:00                     ` David Woodhouse
2016-08-12 13:12                     ` Vinod Koul
2016-07-27 14:08         ` David Howells
2016-07-27 14:10           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2016-07-27 14:23             ` Mark Brown
2016-07-27 15:06         ` [Ksummit-discuss] " James Bottomley
2016-08-01 10:22           ` Johannes Berg
2016-07-27 15:37         ` David Howells
2016-07-27 16:14           ` James Bottomley
2016-07-27 17:57             ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-27 19:00               ` James Bottomley
2016-07-27 19:20                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-27 19:50                   ` James Bottomley
2016-07-27 16:07         ` David Howells
2016-07-27 16:25           ` James Bottomley
2016-07-27 16:10         ` David Howells
2016-07-27 16:14         ` David Howells
2016-07-27 16:28           ` James Bottomley
2016-07-27 16:36             ` James Bottomley
2016-07-27 17:20               ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-07-27 17:51                 ` James Bottomley
2016-07-27 18:57                   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-07-27 19:37               ` Mimi Zohar
2016-07-27 20:09                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-27 22:54                   ` Mimi Zohar
2016-07-27 23:15                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-28  3:17                       ` Mimi Zohar
2016-07-28  3:29                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-28 16:57                   ` Jason Cooper
2016-07-29 22:10                     ` Mimi Zohar
2016-07-29 22:25                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-30 16:36                         ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-07-31  3:08                           ` Mimi Zohar
2016-07-31  3:09                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-31 15:31                               ` Mimi Zohar
2016-07-31 16:19                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-31 17:28                                   ` Mimi Zohar
2016-07-31 18:20                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-01  1:52                                       ` Mimi Zohar
2016-08-01 17:29                                       ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-01 17:59                                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-01 20:23                                           ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-01 20:37                                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-01 20:57                                               ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-01 21:14                                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-01 22:56                                                   ` Jason Cooper
2016-08-01 23:12                                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-02  0:33                                                   ` James Bottomley
     [not found]                                                     ` <CALCETrXHfUULy-EB13Kbkjwco-2UVgsuRsG+OicZT6_uOkzeqA@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                                                       ` <CALCETrWqpQV1AyxVx5eTkJiOe3t7ZFpSAuN2RG3JNHD-gqm0uA@mail.gmail.com>
2016-08-02  0:48                                                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-02  1:13                                                           ` James Bottomley
2016-08-02  1:23                                                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-02 18:12                                                               ` James Bottomley
2016-08-01 22:21                                           ` Mimi Zohar
2016-08-01 22:36                                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-01 23:02                                               ` Mimi Zohar
2016-08-01 23:04                                               ` Jason Cooper
2016-08-01 23:13                                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-01 23:30                                                   ` Jason Cooper
     [not found]                                                     ` <CALCETrWDsMdU2-AWQC4wYvotnNd2ydWT15Ckq0nZaNRJZOtZ-g@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                                                       ` <CALCETrW-P8+yGuEgM2BT+aCfZqJ=ekB2Xsz+4xhWtdRpprJHNw@mail.gmail.com>
2016-08-01 23:45                                                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-02 12:20                                                           ` Jason Cooper [this message]
     [not found]                                                             ` <CALCETrVEY=opRPGKy=P9h8s+TC_K19WnBJ2svXT+=_FnqRF1Mw@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                                                               ` <CALCETrVZtn_SmeN1YX9_+2g+bEAHsfJJ7KQH7-eC_mU3O+0x2w@mail.gmail.com>
2016-08-02 15:07                                                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-03 16:44                                                                   ` Jason Cooper
2016-08-03 17:20                                                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-03 17:50                                                                       ` Jason Cooper
2016-08-01 17:15                                   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-02 18:55                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-02 19:02                     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2016-08-02 19:08                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-02 19:14                         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2016-08-02 19:17                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-02 19:20                             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2016-08-02 20:22                               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2016-07-29 12:43               ` Ben Hutchings
2016-07-29 17:57                 ` Mimi Zohar

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