From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 599C6D95 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 2015 18:17:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mezzanine.sirena.org.uk (mezzanine.sirena.org.uk [106.187.55.193]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EF4A3F4 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 2015 18:17:34 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 19:17:18 +0100 From: Mark Brown To: James Bottomley Message-ID: <20150828181718.GU12027@sirena.org.uk> References: <20150828173005.GA31345@thunk.org> <1440784090.2202.40.camel@HansenPartnership.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="/neOAU127r7zg3jS" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1440784090.2202.40.camel@HansenPartnership.com> Cc: ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] The first round of kernel summit invites have gone out... List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , --/neOAU127r7zg3jS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:48:10AM -0700, James Bottomley wrote: > That basically means the entire service provider netblock is blacklisted > because someone bought a co-lo to send spam ... talk about group > punishments. The problem is that companies trust services they pay for > (however unreliable the providers are) so as this creeps along we're > going to find large areas of the internet not accepting email from > people who don't send it from a large mail aggregator (like gmail) > because setting up a spam list based on extrapolation from a few reports > is a cheap thing to do. It's not just random companies doing this, a lot of the more militant anti-spam people tend to get angry with providers (and sometimes whole countries) based on their normal incoming traffic patterns so they're willing to tolerate what they see as a vanishingly small false positive rate. Which means you end up being able to tell them that the reason you're not replying to their mail is that they've blacklisted the entire country you're in (even with a relay if they scan received lines) :/ --/neOAU127r7zg3jS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJV4KWtAAoJECTWi3JdVIfQHJwH/AurbbTK7bBmyi7qu+XRBCd7 SmvkOKy+m3kAiScvRvRcCZ94juY1Q98II1zHMJx69hk6x5yL2m3QpP5F3jrgtdN6 jbwaXf6FPtPPuBG6Hanhvzy1xsM7KkqMgIXzMT/Td54qftZkyTv0/zs0416rJ5Dc iwWtUzirw4raLoiCvX/7UKPdDYVywYAAdGa1bcNW0m2SIraMVZfxyXYUFEcoRg8g wNrByL1vXdNrORTW/f+Dn75NMiqwdhYTx7wP6FmxmPndqzjzgLmdeG6uLM2XGErP F/5QFjJVRnYsNRenU4lUSrxq6SNoy4/NjufktIy377fROJ8rvlTsPl6a1nNuX2M= =2n8J -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --/neOAU127r7zg3jS--