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From: "Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@suse.com>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: "ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org"
	<ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org>,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>,
	Emily Ratliff <eratliff@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Thomas Graf <tgraf@suug.ch>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [TECH TOPIC] Kernel Hardening
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 18:45:49 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150825164549.GP8051@wotan.suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.11.1508242220570.15006@nanos>

On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 10:46:33PM +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> While we certainly want to add mechanisms which prevent flaws to be
> exploited we surely want to do something about educating people how to
> avoid the flaws in the first place.

<-- snip -->

> I totally agree that we cannot prevent all flaws, but we certainly can
> do better in reducing the quantity. And that means that we need to
> educate people. And that education involve documentation and clever usage of
> tools.

What folks have been discussing mostly after this post are reactive security
solutions, that's fine but I think we need to also be a bit more proactive
about what we let folks design in terms of *new* userspace APIs. For instance
although it would not solve all userspace facing issues, I certainly think
things like struct nla_policy helps move away from loose userspace APIs.
The next evolutionary step was generic netlink but that may be too tied down
to networking.

  Luis

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-08-25 16:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-08-24  4:20 James Morris
2015-08-24 11:46 ` Jiri Kosina
2015-08-24 11:56   ` James Morris
2015-08-24 17:17     ` Kees Cook
2015-08-24 17:28       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-24 17:39         ` Julia Lawall
2015-08-24 18:01         ` Kees Cook
2015-08-24 18:19           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-24 18:57             ` Kees Cook
2015-08-24 18:52       ` Thomas Gleixner
2015-08-24 18:59         ` Thomas Gleixner
2015-08-24 19:00         ` Kees Cook
2015-08-24 22:05           ` Greg KH
2015-08-25  0:51             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-08-31 20:10             ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-08-31 20:22               ` josh
2015-08-26 20:51       ` Kees Cook
2015-08-26 21:10         ` Matthew Garrett
2015-08-30  0:41           ` [Ksummit-discuss] Self nomination Matthew Garrett
2015-08-24 11:48 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [TECH TOPIC] Kernel Hardening Jiri Kosina
2015-08-24 12:29 ` Linus Walleij
2015-08-24 12:51   ` Jason Cooper
2015-08-24 16:35   ` Kees Cook
2015-08-24 20:09     ` James Bottomley
2015-08-24 20:17       ` James Morris
2015-08-24 20:46         ` Thomas Gleixner
2015-08-24 22:22           ` James Morris
2015-08-24 23:20             ` Kees Cook
2015-08-24 23:54               ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-08-25  0:06                 ` James Morris
2015-08-25  0:06                 ` Kees Cook
2015-08-27 22:08                   ` [Ksummit-discuss] grsecurity and kernel hardening Stephen Hemminger
2015-08-27 22:49                     ` James Bottomley
2015-08-27 23:03                       ` Stephen Hemminger
2015-08-24 23:04           ` [Ksummit-discuss] [TECH TOPIC] Kernel Hardening Kees Cook
2015-08-25 16:45           ` Luis R. Rodriguez [this message]
2015-08-24 22:57         ` Kees Cook
2015-08-24 23:25           ` Kees Cook
2015-08-24 20:28       ` josh
2015-08-24 22:55       ` Kees Cook
2015-08-24 23:13         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-31 20:58         ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-09-01  9:03           ` Jiri Kosina
2015-09-01 16:52             ` Kees Cook
2015-09-01 16:50           ` Kees Cook
2015-08-25 15:15     ` Shuah Khan
2015-08-25 16:15       ` Kees Cook
2015-08-25 16:30       ` Mark Brown
2015-08-25 16:33         ` Kees Cook
2015-08-25 16:58         ` Shuah Khan
2015-09-22 12:24     ` Dan Carpenter
2015-09-22 12:55       ` Yves-Alexis Perez
2015-09-22 12:59       ` Julia Lawall
2015-09-22 18:02         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-24 16:20 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2015-08-24 17:19   ` Kees Cook
2015-08-24 18:50     ` James Morris

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