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From: Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>
To: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>
Cc: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, Shuah Khan <shuah.kh@samsung.com>,
	ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [TECH TOPIC] Fix devm_kzalloc, its users, or both
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2015 18:27:32 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150731172732.GB7557@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150731170416.GI20873@sirena.org.uk>

On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 06:04:16PM +0100, Mark Brown wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 06:14:14PM +0300, Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> 
> > It recently came to my attention that the way devm_kzalloc() is used by most
> > drivers is broken. I've raised the topic on LKML (see
> > http://lkml.org/lkml/2015/7/14/741) in the hope that my findings were simply
> 
> lkml.org is down (again) - can you please provide a subject line?

I wish people would stop using lkml.org

> > The issue occurs when drivers use devm_kzalloc() to allocate data structures 
> > that can be accessed through file operations on a device node. The following 
> > sequence of events will then lead to a crash.
> 
> Like Julia says I'm not sure this is really related to devm_ - I would
> really expect that the majority of users were already broken prior to
> the conversion to devm_ since the natural thing is to free things in the
> remove() function which has exactly the same issues, the main problem
> here is that the file open after device is removed case is rare for most
> devices and requires somewhat obscure handling.

I completely agree - this has *nothing* to do with devm_ at all.  Any
bugs that are there as a result of converting to devm_kzalloc() where
there before.  99.9% of the devm_kzalloc() conversions are merely
replacing the kmalloc()/kzalloc() in the probe function with devm_kzalloc()
and removing the free() in the remove function.

If _anything_, converting to devm_kzalloc() means that the lifetime of
the data structure is _slightly_ longer - because rather than the data
structure being freed in the remove() callback, it's freed after the
remove() callback has returned.

However, both are just as buggy.

The devm_* aspect of this thread is just an anti-devm_* smoke-screen.
It's completely irrelevant.

> Tejun's suggestion seems like the most robust thing here - allocation
> issues are only going to be one of the problems with userspace accessing
> devices that are going away and there's a complexity cost from having
> the partially destroyed cases around.  Off the top of my head there's
> anything that attempts to access the hardware if it's genuinely gone
> away rather than just been soft unbound for example.  If the device can
> just invalidate all open files on the way out then that's going to be
> exactly what most things want.

Well, accessing hardware is even more of a problem.  Consider that
ioremap()s will also be cleaned up at the same time (whether in
->remove() or in devm cleanup processing - again, not a devm problem)
thereby removing the mapping for accessing the hardware.

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  reply	other threads:[~2015-07-31 17:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-07-31 15:14 Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-31 15:56 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-07-31 16:34 ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-31 16:51   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-07-31 16:57     ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-31 17:03       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-07-31 16:53   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-07-31 17:02     ` James Bottomley
2015-07-31 17:05       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-07-31 17:13         ` James Bottomley
2015-07-31 17:33           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-07-31 17:36             ` James Bottomley
2015-07-31 18:28               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-07-31 18:40                 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-31 19:41                   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-08-01 10:57                     ` Mark Brown
2015-08-02 14:05                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-08-02 14:21                       ` Julia Lawall
2015-08-01 11:04     ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-08-01 11:21       ` Julia Lawall
2015-08-04 12:55         ` Dan Carpenter
2015-08-04 14:01           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-08-04 17:55           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-08-04 18:03             ` Julia Lawall
2015-08-04 18:07               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-08-04 19:49             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-07-31 17:04 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-31 17:27   ` Russell King - ARM Linux [this message]
2015-08-01 10:55     ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-08-01 16:30       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-08-02 23:33         ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-08-01 10:47   ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-08-01 10:55     ` Julia Lawall
2015-08-01 11:01       ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-08-01 15:18         ` Tejun Heo
2015-08-02  0:48           ` Guenter Roeck
2015-08-02 14:30             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-08-02 16:04               ` Guenter Roeck
2015-08-04 10:40               ` Daniel Vetter
2015-08-04 11:18                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-08-04 11:56                   ` Daniel Vetter
2015-08-04 11:59                     ` Daniel Vetter
2015-08-04 14:48                     ` Tejun Heo
2015-08-04 22:44                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-08-05  9:41                       ` Daniel Vetter
2015-08-04 10:49               ` Takashi Iwai
2015-08-10  7:58 ` Linus Walleij
2015-08-10 10:23   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-08-11 11:35     ` Takashi Iwai
2015-08-11 15:19       ` Daniel Vetter
2015-08-21  2:19 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-08-21 15:07   ` Julia Lawall
2015-08-21 16:14     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-08-21 16:58       ` Mark Brown
2015-08-21 17:30         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-08-21 17:41           ` Mark Brown
2015-08-21 17:52             ` Mark Brown
2015-08-21 18:05               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-08-21 18:18                 ` Mark Brown
2015-10-12 18:36                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-10-12 18:44                     ` Mark Brown
2015-10-14 15:58                       ` Theodore Ts'o

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