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From: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org,
	Dan Carpenter <dan.carpenter@oracle.com>,
	Jason Cooper <jason@lakedaemon.net>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] Recruitment (Reviewers, Testers, Maintainers, Hobbyists)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 22:29:32 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150718212932.GA11162@sirena.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150718081914.7d904bfa@gandalf.local.home>

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On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 08:19:14AM -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote:

> One ping a week is just a reminder. It doesn't fill your mailbox
> quickly. It doesn't mean you need to do it in that week. Also, the
> quicker it goes in before the merge window, the more testing it will
> receive.

It adds up pretty quickly.  No argument that merging things quickly is
good but having to read more content free e-mails is not going to help
with that.  Indeed if I'm expecting someone else to review a patch for
some reason (eg, driver maintainers) a week is about the normal time I'd
give for them to ack it if I'm confident in the patch myself so it's
sometimes a deliberately introduced delay.

Like I say my experience as a patch submitter is that I'd be sending
pings more often than not at a week whereas it's reasonably infrequent
that I need to resend anything.

> Really, a ping once a week will bother you? The once a week was what I
> and a few others started to enforce when we were getting pings once a
> day.

Yes, it does.  It's far too close to the window of normal delays that
happen (finding time to read larger or more complicated patches and
serieses, travel, whatever) and my guess is that my response if everyone
was nagging at that rate would be to treat the nags as noise and ignore
them which defeats the purpose.  These things only work if they're
unusual.

Two weeks feels like a better lower bound to me for the point between
people being "normally" busy and there being some kind of problem.

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Thread overview: 359+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-07-07 23:21 Peter Huewe
2015-07-07 23:49 ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-08  0:50   ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-08  1:40     ` NeilBrown
2015-07-08 19:45       ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-09 19:37         ` Darren Hart
2015-07-09 20:11           ` josh
2015-07-09 20:38             ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-07-09 21:00               ` josh
2015-07-09 21:03                 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-07-09 21:42                   ` Luck, Tony
2015-07-11  8:32                   ` Fengguang Wu
2015-07-09 21:24                 ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-09 21:46                   ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-09 23:11                   ` josh
2015-07-09 23:30                     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-07-09 23:35                     ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-09 23:49                       ` josh
2015-07-12 21:44                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-16  9:21                         ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-16  9:26                           ` James Bottomley
2015-07-16  9:39                             ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-16  9:38                           ` Peter Huewe
2015-07-11  4:34                     ` Fengguang Wu
2015-07-10  8:19                 ` Peter Huewe
2015-07-10 17:06                   ` Luck, Tony
2015-07-10  8:54                 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-12  2:02                   ` Fengguang Wu
2015-07-12  5:19                     ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-12  8:19                       ` James Bottomley
2015-07-12 10:48                         ` Fengguang Wu
2015-07-12 18:23                           ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-13 10:48                       ` Mark Brown
2015-07-10 15:32                 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-10 16:32                   ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-09 20:43             ` Darren Hart
2015-08-03 12:38             ` Fengguang Wu
2015-08-05  7:48               ` Darren Hart
2015-08-05 23:16                 ` Fengguang Wu
2015-07-09 22:31           ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-09 23:08             ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-09 23:38             ` Darren Hart
2015-07-09 23:41               ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-09 23:59                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-07-10  0:55               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-10  2:00                 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10  0:35             ` Mark Brown
2015-07-10  2:07               ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 12:44                 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-10 18:24                   ` Mark Brown
2015-07-10 20:40                     ` josh
2015-07-13 10:00                       ` Mark Brown
2015-07-10 19:51                 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-10 20:00                   ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-10 20:31                     ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-10 20:40                       ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-10 20:43                         ` Josh Boyer
2015-07-12 10:23                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-07-10 23:09                         ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 23:37                           ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-10 23:54                             ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 20:56                     ` josh
2015-07-10 21:03                       ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-10 21:07                         ` josh
2015-07-10 23:11                           ` Darren Hart
2015-07-12 10:28                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-07-12 18:22                             ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-10 23:01                     ` Darren Hart
2015-07-12 10:17                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-07-12 22:00                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-13 10:11                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-07-13 10:21                         ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-13 16:18                       ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-13 17:59                         ` Jonathan Cameron
2015-07-14 15:31                       ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-14 17:05                         ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-10 20:03                   ` Tim Bird
2015-07-10 20:11                     ` Guenter
2015-07-10 20:54                   ` josh
2015-07-10 22:57                     ` Darren Hart
2015-07-11  0:00                     ` Dan Williams
2015-07-10 12:32             ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-10 15:54               ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 16:22                 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-10 14:36           ` Dan Carpenter
2015-07-10 16:07             ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 22:23               ` Greg KH
2015-07-11  0:00                 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-11  0:13                   ` Greg KH
2015-07-11  2:39                     ` Darren Hart
2015-07-11 15:04                       ` Greg KH
2015-07-12 21:27                         ` Peter Hüwe
2015-07-14 23:58                           ` Darren Hart
2015-07-14  2:24                         ` Darren Hart
2015-07-11  5:54                     ` Sudip Mukherjee
2015-07-11 13:29                       ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-11 15:18                         ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-11 16:45                           ` Greg KH
2015-07-11 19:35                             ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-11 22:45                               ` Greg KH
2015-07-12  1:16                                 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-16  1:20                       ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 13:25                         ` Mark Brown
2015-07-16 13:47                           ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 13:56                             ` Sudip Mukherjee
2015-07-16 15:03                               ` Mark Brown
2015-07-16 14:41                             ` Mark Brown
2015-07-16 14:46                               ` James Bottomley
2015-07-16 15:12                                 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-16 15:27                                   ` Jiri Kosina
2015-07-16 18:39                                     ` Mark Brown
2015-07-16 14:57                               ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 15:18                                 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-16 15:33                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 15:04                             ` Tim Bird
2015-07-16 15:12                               ` Ralf Baechle
2015-07-16 15:26                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 15:34                                 ` Tim Bird
2015-07-16 16:51                                 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-17 16:12                                 ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-16 15:41                               ` Jonathan Corbet
2015-07-16 15:50                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 15:52                                 ` Tim Bird
2015-07-16 16:10                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 15:57                                 ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-16 15:57                                 ` Olof Johansson
2015-07-17 16:19                                   ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-16 16:09                                 ` Tim Bird
2015-07-16 16:16                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 16:24                                     ` Tim Bird
2015-07-16 16:52                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-18  1:42                                         ` NeilBrown
2015-07-18  3:48                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-31 13:09                                         ` Nicolas Ferre
2015-07-31 14:22                                           ` James Bottomley
2015-08-01 18:16                                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-08-01 18:19                                               ` James Bottomley
2015-08-01 18:42                                                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-08-01 22:16                                                   ` NeilBrown
2015-08-01 22:45                                                     ` Jiri Kosina
2015-08-03 15:49                                                       ` Mark Brown
2015-08-03 15:53                                                         ` James Bottomley
2015-08-03 16:01                                                           ` Mark Brown
2015-08-02 12:12                                                     ` Jonathan Corbet
2015-08-02 22:46                                                       ` NeilBrown
2015-07-16 16:28                                     ` Greg KH
2015-07-16 17:36                                       ` Peter Hüwe
2015-07-31 13:17                                       ` Nicolas Ferre
2015-07-17 10:16                                     ` Mel Gorman
2015-07-17 12:21                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 16:24                                 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-16 17:15                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 18:36                                   ` Mark Brown
2015-07-17 16:11                                   ` Jonathan Corbet
2015-07-17 16:59                                     ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-17 17:06                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-17 18:59                                         ` josh
2015-07-17 17:37                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-17 17:43                                       ` James Bottomley
2015-07-17 17:53                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-17 19:30                                           ` Chris Mason
2015-07-17 19:46                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-17 20:02                                               ` Chris Mason
2015-07-20 17:40                                                 ` Tim Bird
2015-07-20 17:58                                                   ` Chris Mason
2015-07-20 18:26                                                     ` Mark Brown
2015-07-17 18:05                                         ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-17 19:02                                       ` josh
2015-07-17 19:43                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-17 20:24                                           ` josh
2015-07-17 20:39                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-17 20:48                                               ` josh
2015-07-17 20:55                                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-19 22:19                                                   ` Jiri Kosina
2015-07-19 22:40                                                     ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-19 23:02                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-20  2:34                                                     ` Zefan Li
2015-07-20  5:16                                                       ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-20  5:19                                                         ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-20  7:15                                                         ` James Bottomley
2015-07-20  8:48                                                           ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-20  9:58                                                             ` James Bottomley
2015-07-20 10:15                                                               ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-20 22:35                                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-21  0:25                                                           ` NeilBrown
2015-07-20  9:08                                                         ` Zefan Li
2015-07-20  7:08                                                     ` James Bottomley
2015-07-20  8:27                                                       ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-20 20:30                                                         ` Greg KH
2015-07-20 22:12                                                           ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-20 22:32                                                             ` Greg KH
2015-07-20 23:03                                                               ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-20 23:49                                                                 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2015-07-21  6:08                                                                 ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-21  6:15                                                                   ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-21  5:57                                                             ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-20  8:44                                                       ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-20  9:23                                                         ` James Bottomley
2015-07-20 10:04                                                           ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-20 10:30                                                             ` James Bottomley
2015-07-20 11:09                                                               ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-21  2:00                                                                 ` Zefan Li
2015-07-21  6:00                                                                   ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-21  8:54                                                                   ` NeilBrown
2015-07-22 13:04                                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-22 13:57                                                                       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2015-07-22 14:10                                                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-22 14:42                                                                           ` James Bottomley
2015-07-22 14:44                                                                             ` James Bottomley
2015-07-22 14:48                                                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-22 15:41                                                                               ` James Bottomley
2015-07-22 16:29                                                                       ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-21 17:35                                                                 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-07-20 16:34                                                       ` Tim Bird
2015-07-18  6:17                                                 ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-19 22:21                                                   ` Jiri Kosina
2015-07-20  7:18                                                     ` James Bottomley
2015-07-20 11:05                                                       ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-20 12:35                                                   ` Takashi Iwai
2015-07-20 16:12                                       ` Tim Bird
2015-07-16 17:33                                 ` Peter Hüwe
2015-07-17 16:10                           ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-17 16:23                             ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-18 12:27                               ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-18 10:50                           ` Dan Carpenter
2015-07-18 12:19                             ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-18 21:29                               ` Mark Brown [this message]
2015-07-18 22:59                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-11 11:11                     ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-10 15:44           ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-10 16:00             ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 16:34             ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-10 16:58               ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 19:27               ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-10 17:32             ` Christian Couder
2015-07-10 17:49               ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 19:35                 ` Roberto Tyley
2015-07-10 22:49                   ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 23:18                     ` Laura Abbott
2015-07-12 10:53                     ` Roberto Tyley
2015-07-11  9:31             ` [Ksummit-discuss] checkpatch.pl stuff Dan Carpenter
2015-07-11 11:34               ` Heiko Carstens
2015-07-11 12:51                 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-11 13:42                   ` Joe Perches
2015-07-08 14:20     ` [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] Recruitment (Reviewers, Testers, Maintainers, Hobbyists) Bjorn Helgaas
2015-07-08 14:34       ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-08 15:20         ` Bjorn Helgaas
2015-07-08 19:19       ` Daniel Vetter
2015-07-08 19:48         ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-09  3:56         ` Michael Ellerman
2015-07-13 11:05           ` Damien Lespiau
2015-07-14  5:41             ` Michael Ellerman
2015-07-14 10:11               ` Damien Lespiau
2015-07-08 16:43   ` Mark Brown
2015-07-08 18:08     ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-08  0:16 ` Greg KH
2015-07-08 18:06   ` Mark Brown
2015-07-08 19:27     ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-08 19:35       ` Mark Brown
2015-07-08  1:29 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-08  1:14   ` Josh Boyer
2015-07-08  1:49     ` NeilBrown
2015-07-08  3:40       ` Davidlohr Bueso
2015-07-08  7:08       ` Peter Hüwe
2015-07-08  2:03     ` Krzysztof Kozłowski
2015-07-08  7:04       ` Peter Hüwe
2015-07-08  7:52         ` jic23
2015-07-08  9:52           ` Peter Huewe
2015-07-08 12:42         ` Jonathan Corbet
2015-07-08 15:02         ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-08 16:36           ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-08 18:05             ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-08 19:09           ` Peter Huewe
2015-07-08 19:21             ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-08 19:35               ` Peter Huewe
2015-07-08 15:43         ` John W. Linville
2015-07-12 19:37         ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-08  2:11     ` Greg KH
2015-07-08  7:52       ` Dan Carpenter
2015-07-08 11:07       ` Mark Brown
2015-07-08 11:43       ` Josh Boyer
2015-07-08 18:49         ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-08 19:11           ` Josh Boyer
2015-07-08 19:38             ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-08  8:18     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-07-08  7:37   ` James Bottomley
2015-07-08  8:00     ` jic23
2015-07-08  9:57       ` Peter Huewe
2015-07-08 18:53       ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-08 19:56         ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-08 20:07           ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-08 21:31             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-09 17:50               ` Frank Rowand
2015-07-08 20:08         ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-09  4:06           ` Michael Ellerman
2015-07-09 18:28             ` Frank Rowand
2015-07-09 18:53               ` Mark Brown
2015-07-09 19:23               ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-09 19:47                 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-09 20:13                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-07-09 20:50                     ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-09 21:47                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-07-09 23:13                         ` josh
2015-07-09 23:56                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-07-10 20:49                           ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-10 21:04                             ` josh
2015-07-26 23:13                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-10 18:20                         ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-10 18:32                           ` Mark Brown
2015-07-10 18:58                           ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-10 20:24                             ` Guenter
2015-07-10 21:14                               ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-07-11  0:52                                 ` Guenter
2015-07-13 19:28                                   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-07-11  1:04                               ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-10 21:00                             ` josh
2015-07-11  1:06                               ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-09 20:23                   ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-09 20:48                     ` Darren Hart
2015-07-09 23:52                   ` Mark Brown
2015-07-09 19:44             ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 21:01               ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-09 19:39         ` Darren Hart
2015-07-09 20:21           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-07-09 21:41             ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-10  0:14             ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-07-10  1:04               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-10  1:54               ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10  3:13               ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-10 18:14         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-07-11  1:00           ` Davidlohr Bueso
2015-07-12  3:48             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-07-12  5:23               ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-12 12:28                 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-07-13 14:20                   ` Dan Carpenter
2015-07-13 14:33                     ` Jan Kara
2015-07-13 16:28                       ` Dan Carpenter
2015-07-13 17:58                         ` Jonathan Cameron
2015-07-14  4:38                         ` Sudip Mukherjee
2015-07-14  5:56                           ` Jonathan Cameron
2015-07-14  7:00                           ` Dan Carpenter
2015-07-14 15:16                           ` Greg KH
2015-07-14 15:52                             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-07-14 18:04                               ` Dan Carpenter
2015-07-14 18:01                             ` Dan Carpenter
2015-07-12 15:35               ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-08 14:07 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-08 19:29   ` Peter Huewe
2015-07-08 22:18     ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-08 23:09       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-12 19:53         ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-09 15:09       ` John W. Linville
2015-07-09 17:45         ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-09 18:08           ` John W. Linville
2015-07-10 13:07             ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-09 18:37         ` Olof Johansson
2015-07-09 19:02         ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 13:03         ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-08 17:55 ` Mark Brown

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