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From: Jason Cooper <jason@lakedaemon.net>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: Stephan Mueller <smueller@chronox.de>,
	Dan Carpenter <dan.carpenter@oracle.com>,
	ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE-TOPIC] Documentation
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 17:42:44 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150713174244.GE14593@io.lakedaemon.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150713123750.52d8a14d@gandalf.local.home>

On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 12:37:50PM -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 12:47:23 +0300
> Alexey Dobriyan <adobriyan@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Newbies should not write documentation because they, by definition,
> > have little knowledge of the code. It will lead to many, many useless
> > and redundant comments like below whose only purpose is stealing
> > vertical whitespace:
> 
> I agree that newbies shouldn't write documentation.

I semi-disagree.  Assuming you meant newbies here as you defined below.

Not that an exception should make the rule, but please take a look at
the Crypto API documentation (with userspace example code!) written by
Stephan Mueller:

  git log --author="smueller@chronox.de"

His first patch was in May 2014.

  541af946fe13 crypto: drbg - SP800-90A Deterministic Random Bit Generator

By Nov/Dec 2014 he had documented the entire crypto API.

  52744af3af97 crypto: doc - document uncovered member variables
  47ca5be9eb06 crypto: doc - HASH API documentation
  16e61030aecb crypto: doc - CIPHER API documentation
  58284f0d6c4a crypto: doc - BLKCIPHER API documentation
  fced7b02623e crypto: doc - AEAD API documentation
  f13ec330a787 crypto: doc - ABLKCIPHER API documentation
  0d7f488f0305 crypto: doc - cipher data structures
  968ab2910780 crypto: doc - SHASH API documentation
  90240ffb1277 crypto: doc - AHASH API documentation
  5d8c723f61f2 crypto: doc - hash data structures
  aa1b6fbcbeac crypto: doc - RNG API documentation
  e63b673f601d crypto: doc - userspace interface spec
  e9a44230dbca crypto: doc - compile crypto API spec
  7d12993ed890 crypto: doc - crypto API high level spec

Often the best person to write the docs for a newcomer to understand is
someone who was just recently a newcomer.

> But maybe what they
> can do is to question what a function does. And perhaps poke the
> maintainer (or author of said function) to write something that
> explains that function (only for non-static functions).

Submitting patches is often the *best* way to poke a maintainer. ;-)

I know I'm not the only one who would find it a lot easier to tweak an
80% correct documentation patch as opposed to explaining the function
call, how it fits in with the others, how it historically evolved that
way, etc.

> Now, I say "newbies" but I would really mean experienced developers
> that are new to a subsystem. We don't need silly questions. Something
> more on the line of one experienced kernel developer reading some code
> of the kernel they have no idea about, and if they can't figure out
> what a function does, ask the question to the author. Perhaps we can
> get better documentation of internal interfaces out of it.

thx,

Jason.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-07-13 17:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-07-12 22:38 Peter Hüwe
2015-07-12 23:15 ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-14 11:59   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2015-07-13  9:47 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2015-07-13 16:01   ` Randy Dunlap
2015-07-13 16:37   ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-13 16:46     ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-13 17:35       ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-13 19:22         ` Peter Hüwe
2015-07-13 19:28       ` Peter Hüwe
2015-07-13 17:42     ` Jason Cooper [this message]
2015-07-13 18:11       ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-14  3:56         ` Zefan Li
2015-07-13 19:25       ` Peter Hüwe
2015-07-13 22:10       ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-13 17:45   ` Jonathan Corbet
2015-07-13 19:46     ` Peter Hüwe
2015-07-14  2:36       ` Jonathan Corbet
2015-07-14  8:40         ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-14 11:19           ` Daniel Vetter
2015-07-14 12:43         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2015-07-14 12:53           ` Jonathan Corbet
2015-07-14 13:57           ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-14  6:44       ` Johannes Berg
2015-07-13 19:20   ` Peter Hüwe
2015-07-13 23:01     ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-13 17:05 ` Lai Jiangshan
2015-07-13 17:42 ` Jonathan Corbet

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