From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A8C6FBC7 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 05:54:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pd0-f180.google.com (mail-pd0-f180.google.com [209.85.192.180]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4D965ED for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 05:54:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pdbqm3 with SMTP id qm3so51182127pdb.0 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:54:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 11:24:41 +0530 From: Sudip Mukherjee To: Greg KH Message-ID: <20150711055441.GA6316@sudip-PC> References: <201507080121.41463.PeterHuewe@gmx.de> <559C73DF.2030008@roeck-us.net> <20150708114011.3a1f1861@noble> <2879113.fraeuJIr2M@avalon> <20150709193718.GD9169@vmdeb7> <20150710143641.GW4341@mwanda> <20150710160714.GL111846@vmdeb7> <20150710222351.GA28632@kroah.com> <20150711000034.GU111846@vmdeb7> <20150711001348.GA30675@kroah.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20150711001348.GA30675@kroah.com> Cc: Dan Carpenter , ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, Jason Cooper Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] Recruitment (Reviewers, Testers, Maintainers, Hobbyists) List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , >On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 5:43 AM, Greg KH wrote: > > I applaud your attempt here, and don't want to stop you from working on > it, but I think the real issue is having people actually look for the > documentation and tools we already have created to do this. If you make > yet-another-tool, how are you going to advertise it any better than the > existing tools/documentation are? I don't know if i should give my opinion here. I am here for almost one year and am coming from Eudyptula. I think this thread was regarding recruitment and high dropout rates. So from a newbie's point of view, setting up git or mutt was never a problem. Ok, maybe everyone needs to send his/her first patch two or three itmes until he gets it right in the formating or commit message or subject. But sending it using git send-email never had been a problem. In my opinion the main problem is lack of direction or guidance. As a newbie I send my first patch, it gets accepted, I have a party to celebrate and do more style correction and few more patches are accepted. But by that time I am getting bored with just style correction and want to do something more. Now the problem starts. No one is there to guide me and I as a newbie will not be that much capable enough to find things to do on my own. And I start loosing the interest. Newbies who are coming from Eudyptula or starting on their own will face this. But on the otherhand participants of Outreachy will get a Mentor to guide them and gets a stipend to keep them motivated. Stipend may not matter to the right candidate who has interest but having a mentor is the big difference. Another problem, when a newbie tries to move out of staging to some other subsystem he likes, the maintainer may not be that much responsive. Just for example, i submitted a patch on November, 2014 and I am yet to receive a reply or review to that and the patch was not a style correction patch. And using git send-email and mutt with gmail is very easy, you do not need to do any change in gmail. If you want I can give my .gitconfig and .muttrc for your reference. regards sudip