From: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Darren Hart <dvhart@infradead.org>
Cc: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>,
jic23@jic23.retrosnub.co.uk,
ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org,
Jason Cooper <jason@lakedaemon.net>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] Recruitment (Reviewers, Testers, Maintainers, Hobbyists)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 16:13:15 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150709201315.GF9417@thunk.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150709194734.GG9169@vmdeb7>
No matter what we ask people to type, the system can be gamed so long
as we (a) use automated systems, and (b) we're transparent what the
automated system uses as a signal about what's a valid review versus a
garbage review. This is basically the same problem that Google has
when trying to deal with SEO folks who are trying to game the search
algorithm, and it's not really a soluble problem unless you have a lot
of people constantly working on refining the system and adjusting in
response to humans who are trying to attack the system.
And if there are companies who are using reviews, or signed-off-by
counts as a basis of performance reviews, humans *will* be
incentivized to game the system, regardless of what the kernel summit
program committee might be doing to use these systems.
(Although I will say there is one person who I've consistently
downgraded *because* it's obvious s/he has been sending lots of
trivial patches, and while that person may (or may not) have changed,
it's still human nature that I assume that this person's scores are
inflated. And this is true of whoever sends huge number of checkpatch
or coccinelle generated or inspired patches. So people should be
aware that attempts to game the system can backfire, when people start
imposing informal "manual penalties" to their evaluation of that
particular person. Which is exactly what happens in the Search Engine
Optimization world, by the way....)
- Ted
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-07-09 20:14 UTC|newest]
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2015-07-08 0:50 ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-08 1:40 ` NeilBrown
2015-07-08 19:45 ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-09 19:37 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-09 20:11 ` josh
2015-07-09 20:38 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-07-09 21:00 ` josh
2015-07-09 21:03 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-07-09 21:42 ` Luck, Tony
2015-07-11 8:32 ` Fengguang Wu
2015-07-09 21:24 ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-09 21:46 ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-09 23:11 ` josh
2015-07-09 23:30 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-07-09 23:35 ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-09 23:49 ` josh
2015-07-12 21:44 ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-16 9:21 ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-16 9:26 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-16 9:39 ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-16 9:38 ` Peter Huewe
2015-07-11 4:34 ` Fengguang Wu
2015-07-10 8:19 ` Peter Huewe
2015-07-10 17:06 ` Luck, Tony
2015-07-10 8:54 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-12 2:02 ` Fengguang Wu
2015-07-12 5:19 ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-12 8:19 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-12 10:48 ` Fengguang Wu
2015-07-12 18:23 ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-13 10:48 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-10 15:32 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-10 16:32 ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-09 20:43 ` Darren Hart
2015-08-03 12:38 ` Fengguang Wu
2015-08-05 7:48 ` Darren Hart
2015-08-05 23:16 ` Fengguang Wu
2015-07-09 22:31 ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-09 23:08 ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-09 23:38 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-09 23:41 ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-09 23:59 ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-07-10 0:55 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-10 2:00 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 0:35 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-10 2:07 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 12:44 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-10 18:24 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-10 20:40 ` josh
2015-07-13 10:00 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-10 19:51 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-10 20:00 ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-10 20:31 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-10 20:40 ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-10 20:43 ` Josh Boyer
2015-07-12 10:23 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-07-10 23:09 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 23:37 ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-10 23:54 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 20:56 ` josh
2015-07-10 21:03 ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-10 21:07 ` josh
2015-07-10 23:11 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-12 10:28 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-07-12 18:22 ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-10 23:01 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-12 10:17 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-07-12 22:00 ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-13 10:11 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-07-13 10:21 ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-13 16:18 ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-13 17:59 ` Jonathan Cameron
2015-07-14 15:31 ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-14 17:05 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-10 20:03 ` Tim Bird
2015-07-10 20:11 ` Guenter
2015-07-10 20:54 ` josh
2015-07-10 22:57 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-11 0:00 ` Dan Williams
2015-07-10 12:32 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-10 15:54 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 16:22 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-10 14:36 ` Dan Carpenter
2015-07-10 16:07 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 22:23 ` Greg KH
2015-07-11 0:00 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-11 0:13 ` Greg KH
2015-07-11 2:39 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-11 15:04 ` Greg KH
2015-07-12 21:27 ` Peter Hüwe
2015-07-14 23:58 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-14 2:24 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-11 5:54 ` Sudip Mukherjee
2015-07-11 13:29 ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-11 15:18 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-11 16:45 ` Greg KH
2015-07-11 19:35 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-11 22:45 ` Greg KH
2015-07-12 1:16 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-16 1:20 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 13:25 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-16 13:47 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 13:56 ` Sudip Mukherjee
2015-07-16 15:03 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-16 14:41 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-16 14:46 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-16 15:12 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-16 15:27 ` Jiri Kosina
2015-07-16 18:39 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-16 14:57 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 15:18 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-16 15:33 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 15:04 ` Tim Bird
2015-07-16 15:12 ` Ralf Baechle
2015-07-16 15:26 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 15:34 ` Tim Bird
2015-07-16 16:51 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-17 16:12 ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-16 15:41 ` Jonathan Corbet
2015-07-16 15:50 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 15:52 ` Tim Bird
2015-07-16 16:10 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 15:57 ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-16 15:57 ` Olof Johansson
2015-07-17 16:19 ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-16 16:09 ` Tim Bird
2015-07-16 16:16 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 16:24 ` Tim Bird
2015-07-16 16:52 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-18 1:42 ` NeilBrown
2015-07-18 3:48 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-31 13:09 ` Nicolas Ferre
2015-07-31 14:22 ` James Bottomley
2015-08-01 18:16 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-08-01 18:19 ` James Bottomley
2015-08-01 18:42 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-08-01 22:16 ` NeilBrown
2015-08-01 22:45 ` Jiri Kosina
2015-08-03 15:49 ` Mark Brown
2015-08-03 15:53 ` James Bottomley
2015-08-03 16:01 ` Mark Brown
2015-08-02 12:12 ` Jonathan Corbet
2015-08-02 22:46 ` NeilBrown
2015-07-16 16:28 ` Greg KH
2015-07-16 17:36 ` Peter Hüwe
2015-07-31 13:17 ` Nicolas Ferre
2015-07-17 10:16 ` Mel Gorman
2015-07-17 12:21 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 16:24 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-16 17:15 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 18:36 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-17 16:11 ` Jonathan Corbet
2015-07-17 16:59 ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-17 17:06 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-17 18:59 ` josh
2015-07-17 17:37 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-17 17:43 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-17 17:53 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-17 19:30 ` Chris Mason
2015-07-17 19:46 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-17 20:02 ` Chris Mason
2015-07-20 17:40 ` Tim Bird
2015-07-20 17:58 ` Chris Mason
2015-07-20 18:26 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-17 18:05 ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-17 19:02 ` josh
2015-07-17 19:43 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-17 20:24 ` josh
2015-07-17 20:39 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-17 20:48 ` josh
2015-07-17 20:55 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-19 22:19 ` Jiri Kosina
2015-07-19 22:40 ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-19 23:02 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-20 2:34 ` Zefan Li
2015-07-20 5:16 ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-20 5:19 ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-20 7:15 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-20 8:48 ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-20 9:58 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-20 10:15 ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-20 22:35 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-21 0:25 ` NeilBrown
2015-07-20 9:08 ` Zefan Li
2015-07-20 7:08 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-20 8:27 ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-20 20:30 ` Greg KH
2015-07-20 22:12 ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-20 22:32 ` Greg KH
2015-07-20 23:03 ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-20 23:49 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2015-07-21 6:08 ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-21 6:15 ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-21 5:57 ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-20 8:44 ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-20 9:23 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-20 10:04 ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-20 10:30 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-20 11:09 ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-21 2:00 ` Zefan Li
2015-07-21 6:00 ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-21 8:54 ` NeilBrown
2015-07-22 13:04 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-22 13:57 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2015-07-22 14:10 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-22 14:42 ` James Bottomley
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2015-07-17 16:23 ` Steven Rostedt
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2015-07-18 10:50 ` Dan Carpenter
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2015-07-18 21:29 ` Mark Brown
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2015-07-11 11:11 ` Julia Lawall
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2015-07-10 19:27 ` Steven Rostedt
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2015-07-10 19:35 ` Roberto Tyley
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2015-07-09 3:56 ` Michael Ellerman
2015-07-13 11:05 ` Damien Lespiau
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2015-07-14 10:11 ` Damien Lespiau
2015-07-08 16:43 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-08 18:08 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-08 0:16 ` Greg KH
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2015-07-08 19:27 ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-08 19:35 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-08 1:29 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
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2015-07-08 12:42 ` Jonathan Corbet
2015-07-08 15:02 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-08 16:36 ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-08 18:05 ` Jason Cooper
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2015-07-08 19:21 ` Jason Cooper
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2015-07-08 15:43 ` John W. Linville
2015-07-12 19:37 ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-08 2:11 ` Greg KH
2015-07-08 7:52 ` Dan Carpenter
2015-07-08 11:07 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-08 11:43 ` Josh Boyer
2015-07-08 18:49 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-08 19:11 ` Josh Boyer
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2015-07-08 8:18 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
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2015-07-09 20:13 ` Theodore Ts'o [this message]
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2015-07-10 18:32 ` Mark Brown
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2015-07-09 21:41 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-10 0:14 ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-07-10 1:04 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-10 1:54 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 3:13 ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-10 18:14 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-07-11 1:00 ` Davidlohr Bueso
2015-07-12 3:48 ` Josh Poimboeuf
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2015-07-12 12:28 ` Josh Poimboeuf
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2015-07-13 14:33 ` Jan Kara
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2015-07-14 5:56 ` Jonathan Cameron
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