From: Guenter Roeck <linux@roeck-us.net>
To: "John W. Linville" <linville@tuxdriver.com>
Cc: Jason Cooper <jason@lakedaemon.net>,
ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] Recruitment (Reviewers, Testers, Maintainers, Hobbyists)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 10:45:35 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150709174535.GB32448@roeck-us.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150709150938.GF4265@tuxdriver.com>
On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 11:09:38AM -0400, John W. Linville wrote:
>
> I guess I'm suggesting the opposite of a "professional maintainer".
> Some people thrive at being the center of a subsystem, as I did for
> some time with wireless. But burnout is a problem, and I think we
> can limit some of that if somehow we can encourage less expansive
> roles for individual maintainers.
>
I hear you.
However, having individual maintainers with a high level of responsibility
and sense of ownership is one of the reasons why the Linux kernel
development model works as well as it does.
In a corporate environment, there is often no sense of ownership in a
specific piece of code. Quite often there _is_ no owner. As a result,
engineers don't feel the need to keep the code clean. They need to make
a change, they make it, they move on. The code gets more and more messy
and buggy over time, and no one really cares.
Whatever we change, we need to make sure this doesn't happen with the
Linux kernel, or it will fall apart quickly.
Guenter
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2015-07-07 23:21 Peter Huewe
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2015-07-08 0:50 ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-08 1:40 ` NeilBrown
2015-07-08 19:45 ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-09 19:37 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-09 20:11 ` josh
2015-07-09 20:38 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-07-09 21:00 ` josh
2015-07-09 21:03 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-07-09 21:42 ` Luck, Tony
2015-07-11 8:32 ` Fengguang Wu
2015-07-09 21:24 ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-09 21:46 ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-09 23:11 ` josh
2015-07-09 23:30 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-07-09 23:35 ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-09 23:49 ` josh
2015-07-12 21:44 ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-16 9:21 ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-16 9:26 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-16 9:39 ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-16 9:38 ` Peter Huewe
2015-07-11 4:34 ` Fengguang Wu
2015-07-10 8:19 ` Peter Huewe
2015-07-10 17:06 ` Luck, Tony
2015-07-10 8:54 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-12 2:02 ` Fengguang Wu
2015-07-12 5:19 ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-12 8:19 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-12 10:48 ` Fengguang Wu
2015-07-12 18:23 ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-13 10:48 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-10 15:32 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-10 16:32 ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-09 20:43 ` Darren Hart
2015-08-03 12:38 ` Fengguang Wu
2015-08-05 7:48 ` Darren Hart
2015-08-05 23:16 ` Fengguang Wu
2015-07-09 22:31 ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-09 23:08 ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-09 23:38 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-09 23:41 ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-09 23:59 ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-07-10 0:55 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-10 2:00 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 0:35 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-10 2:07 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 12:44 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-10 18:24 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-10 20:40 ` josh
2015-07-13 10:00 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-10 19:51 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-10 20:00 ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-10 20:31 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-10 20:40 ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-10 20:43 ` Josh Boyer
2015-07-12 10:23 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-07-10 23:09 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 23:37 ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-10 23:54 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 20:56 ` josh
2015-07-10 21:03 ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-10 21:07 ` josh
2015-07-10 23:11 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-12 10:28 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-07-12 18:22 ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-10 23:01 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-12 10:17 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-07-12 22:00 ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-13 10:11 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-07-13 10:21 ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-13 16:18 ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-13 17:59 ` Jonathan Cameron
2015-07-14 15:31 ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-14 17:05 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-10 20:03 ` Tim Bird
2015-07-10 20:11 ` Guenter
2015-07-10 20:54 ` josh
2015-07-10 22:57 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-11 0:00 ` Dan Williams
2015-07-10 12:32 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-10 15:54 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 16:22 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-10 14:36 ` Dan Carpenter
2015-07-10 16:07 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 22:23 ` Greg KH
2015-07-11 0:00 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-11 0:13 ` Greg KH
2015-07-11 2:39 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-11 15:04 ` Greg KH
2015-07-12 21:27 ` Peter Hüwe
2015-07-14 23:58 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-14 2:24 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-11 5:54 ` Sudip Mukherjee
2015-07-11 13:29 ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-11 15:18 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-11 16:45 ` Greg KH
2015-07-11 19:35 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-11 22:45 ` Greg KH
2015-07-12 1:16 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-16 1:20 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 13:25 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-16 13:47 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 13:56 ` Sudip Mukherjee
2015-07-16 15:03 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-16 14:41 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-16 14:46 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-16 15:12 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-16 15:27 ` Jiri Kosina
2015-07-16 18:39 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-16 14:57 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 15:18 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-16 15:33 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 15:04 ` Tim Bird
2015-07-16 15:12 ` Ralf Baechle
2015-07-16 15:26 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 15:34 ` Tim Bird
2015-07-16 16:51 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-17 16:12 ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-16 15:41 ` Jonathan Corbet
2015-07-16 15:50 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 15:52 ` Tim Bird
2015-07-16 16:10 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 15:57 ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-16 15:57 ` Olof Johansson
2015-07-17 16:19 ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-16 16:09 ` Tim Bird
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2015-07-16 16:24 ` Tim Bird
2015-07-16 16:52 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-18 1:42 ` NeilBrown
2015-07-18 3:48 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-31 13:09 ` Nicolas Ferre
2015-07-31 14:22 ` James Bottomley
2015-08-01 18:16 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
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2015-08-01 18:42 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-08-01 22:16 ` NeilBrown
2015-08-01 22:45 ` Jiri Kosina
2015-08-03 15:49 ` Mark Brown
2015-08-03 15:53 ` James Bottomley
2015-08-03 16:01 ` Mark Brown
2015-08-02 12:12 ` Jonathan Corbet
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2015-07-16 16:28 ` Greg KH
2015-07-16 17:36 ` Peter Hüwe
2015-07-31 13:17 ` Nicolas Ferre
2015-07-17 10:16 ` Mel Gorman
2015-07-17 12:21 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 16:24 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-16 17:15 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 18:36 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-17 16:11 ` Jonathan Corbet
2015-07-17 16:59 ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-17 17:06 ` Steven Rostedt
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2015-07-17 17:37 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-17 17:43 ` James Bottomley
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2015-07-17 19:30 ` Chris Mason
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2015-07-17 20:02 ` Chris Mason
2015-07-20 17:40 ` Tim Bird
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2015-07-20 18:26 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-17 18:05 ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-17 19:02 ` josh
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2015-07-17 20:24 ` josh
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2015-07-17 20:48 ` josh
2015-07-17 20:55 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-19 22:19 ` Jiri Kosina
2015-07-19 22:40 ` Josh Triplett
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2015-07-20 5:16 ` Josh Triplett
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2015-07-21 8:54 ` NeilBrown
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2015-07-08 2:11 ` Greg KH
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2015-07-08 23:09 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
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