From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 44012ABA for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 07:03:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.15]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8D490EE for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 07:03:29 +0000 (UTC) From: Peter =?utf-8?q?H=C3=BCwe?= To: ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, "Rafael J. Wysocki" , Greg KH Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2015 09:04:58 +0200 References: <201507080121.41463.PeterHuewe@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <201507080905.00051.PeterHuewe@gmx.de> Cc: Josh Boyer , Jason Cooper Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] Recruitment (Reviewers, Testers, Maintainers, Hobbyists) List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Am Mittwoch, 8. Juli 2015, 04:03:04 schrieb Krzysztof Koz=C5=82owski: >=20 > Before doing some work there is always a cause, an answer to "why I am > doing this"? Employer may pay for my commits but would he pay for > reviewing time? That is his decision and it would be difficult to > change policies inside companies. >=20 > Other reason for doing open source work may be the fame. Being > recognizable, getting better job offers, doing tasks which are > sensible and meaningful for someone. Currently probably most of the > fame goes to authors and maintainers. For example in the form of `git > log --author/committer=3D` or LWN articles about statistics. >=20 > How to get more reviews from such people (when employer does not pay > for it)? Give them fame! :) Exactly!=20 This is also what Rafael wrote in the other mail: > Most of the time there's a little to no recognition for doing that work > and, quite frankly, writing code is more rewarding than that for the > majority of people anyway. So changing our fame-statistics from commits to reviews and tested by might= =20 change the situation a bit. =2D> The next LWN stats and coverage should probably focus on the reviewed-= by /=20 tested-by stats.=20 People love to be on some "top 10" lists - and also they can show something= =20 like that to their bosses. "I've been a kernel reviewer and tester" -- meh, who cares "I've been a top 100 kernel reviewer and tester over the last X releases" -= =2D=20 give him a raise/the job (esp. if kernel is not the core competency of the= =20 company :) Another thing I noticed over the last few years (also in corporate), people= =20 get really motivated by memorabilia - "tokens of appreciation". E.g. I constantly wear my Google T-Shirt which I received for a contributio= n=20 with such proud and so often that it is almost faded --- but still everytim= e I=20 look at it I have a good feeling. =2D-> Maybe LF can organize something? "Here is a small token of appreciation (t-shirt, cup) for spending countle= ss=20 hours on reviewing and testing stuff in the Linux kernel -- keep up the goo= d=20 work" > The only way to address this problem I can see is to recognize reviewers > *much* more than we tend to do and not just "encourage" them, because > that's way insufficient. Yes again! What I definitely would also recommend is to organize some 'get togethers', like a miniconf/minisummit at the next conference near you -- and where you= =20 grab a beer _together_ with the reviewers / testers afterwards (and maybe t= he=20 maintainer can pay).=20 This also helps as forms of appreciation. Thanks, Peter